Re: What to do about snapshot-aware defrag

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On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 6:51 PM, Brendan Hide <brendan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 2014/05/31 12:00 AM, Martin wrote:
>>
>> OK... I'll jump in...
>>
>> On 30/05/14 21:43, Josef Bacik wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> Option 1: Only relink inodes that haven't changed since the snapshot was
>>> taken.
>>>
>>> Pros:
>>> -Faster
>>> -Simpler
>>> -Less duplicated code, uses existing functions for tricky operations so
>>> less likely to introduce weird bugs.
>>>
>>> Cons:
>>> -Could possibly lost some of the snapshot-awareness of the defrag.  If
>>> you just touch a file we would not do the relinking and you'd end up
>>> with twice the space usage.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>
>> Obvious way to go for fast KISS.
>
>
> I second this - KISS is better.
>
> Would in-band dedupe resolve the issue with losing the "snapshot-awareness
> of the defrag"? I figure that if someone absolutely wants everything deduped
> efficiently they'd put in the necessary resources (memory/dedicated SSD/etc)
> to have in-band dedupe work well.
>
>> One question:
>>
>> Will option one mean that we always need to mount with noatime or
>> read-only to allow snapshot defragging to do anything?
>
>

When snapshot-aware defrag first came out, I was convinced it was a
"must-have" capability for nearly everybody using btrfs.  But, the
more I look at my work load and common practices with btrfs, the more
I am wondering just how often snapshot-aware defrag was actually doing
something for me.

I use a lot of snapshots.  But for the most part, once I touch a file
in my current subvolume, the whole file needs to be COW-ed from it's
previous version.

Now that we have a working sysfs, I wonder if we could implement some
counters to track how often snapshot-aware defrag would have run.  I
might be surprised at how much it was doing.

---
Regards,
Mitch Harder
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