Re: default subvolume abilities/restrictions

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On Friday 18 June 2010 23:01:37 C Anthony Risinger wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 12:47 PM, C Anthony Risinger <anthony@xxxxxxxx> 
wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 8:06 PM, C Anthony Risinger <anthony@xxxxxxxx> 
wrote:
> >> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 7:22 PM, David Brown <btrfs@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 06:06:23PM -0500, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
> >>>>> # btrfs subvolume create new_root
> >>>>> # mv . new_root/old_root
> >>>> 
> >>>> can i at least get confirmation that the above is possible?
> >>> 
> >>> I've had no problem with
> >>> 
> >>>  # btrfs subvolume snapshot . new_root
> >>>  # mkdir old_root
> >>>  # mv * old_root
> >>>  # rm -rf old_root
> >>> 
> >>> Make sure the 'mv' fails fo move new_root, and I'd look at the
> >>> new_root before removing everything.
> >>> 
> >>> David
> >> 
> >> heh, yeah i as i was writing the last email i realized that all i
> >> really wanted was to:
> >> 
> >> # mv * new_root
> >> 
> >> for some reason i was convinced that i must snapshot the old_root (.)
> >> to new_root... and then remove the erroneous stuff from old_root (.).
> >> thus a way to "parent" the default subvol (old_root/.) seemed a better
> >> solution...
> >> 
> >> but alas, a snapshot isn't necessary.  i can create an empty subvol
> >> "new_root", and then "mv * new_root".
> >> 
> >> i don't know how that escaped me :-), sorry for all the noise.
> >> however, there probably is a legitimate use case for wanting to
> >> replace the default subvolume, but this isn't it.
> >> 
> >> C Anthony
> > 
> > ok i take it all back, i DO need this...
> > 
> > i rewrote my initramfs hook to do the following operations:
> > 
> > # btrfs subvolume create /new_root
> > # mv /* /new_root
> > 
> > instead of what i had:
> > 
> > # btrfs subvolume snapshot / /new_root
> > 
> > and it resulted in scarily COPYING my entire system... several gigs
> > worth... to the newly created subvolume, which took forever, and
> > grinded on my HD for awhile.  i don't know how long because i went to
> > bed.
> > 
> > this is why i need a way to "parent" the default subvolume.
> > 
> > a snapshot is nice and quick, but it leaves / full of erroneous
> > folders (dev/etc/usr/lib), an entire system, that will no longer be
> > used.  this space will in time become dead wasted space unless my
> > users manually "rm -rf" themselves.
> > 
> > so... any input on this?  how can i effectively, and efficiently, move
> > a users installation into a dedicated subvolume, when they have
> > already installed into the default subvolume?
> > 
> > i think the best way is what i originally suggested; make an empty
> > subvolume the new top-level subvol, and place the old top-level subvol
> > INTO it with a new name.
> > 
> > thoughts?
> 
> can i get a little feedback on this problem?  i choke slightly when
> telling users the only way to clean their old / is by rm -rf'ing
> everything....
> 
> i need the ability to "move" the default subvolume into a new, empty
> subvolume.  the empty subvolume then becomes the new default.
> 
> the end result is moving the users installation into a dedicated
> subvolume, cleanly and efficiently, so the system can do other things
> with the "subroot" structure.
> 
> the way i am doing it now is snapshotting the users / to /__active...
> however, the side effect is an entire system worth of files that will
> in time become dead space.
> 
> moving the users install via "mv" into an empty subvol does not work.
> everything is actually copied = slow,slow,slow.

I don't have a btrfs file system on hand to actually try it, but did you try 
copying using "cp --reflink=always"?

> 
> ideas???  how can i "parent" the default subvol with an empty subvol?
> this seems a legitimate operation.

> 
> thanks,
> C Anthony

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