Re: [forum] bloatware

[Sven Luther <luther@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr>]

On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 10:01:37PM +0400, Vadim Plessky wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 April 2003 22:21, David Dawes wrote:
> |  On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 08:47:40PM +0400, Vadim Plessky wrote:
> |  >On Sunday 30 March 2003 19:25, David Dawes wrote:
> |  >|  On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 10:45:39AM +0400, Vadim Plessky wrote:
> |  >|  >On Sunday 30 March 2003 04:09, Havoc Pennington wrote:
> |  >|  >|  On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 11:49:13PM +0300, Vadim Plessky wrote:
> |  >|  >|  > Ok, what about 60MB of "font sources" (PCF, BDF fonts) in
> |  >|  >|  > XFree86 CVS and resulting 20MB of "installable fonts" in RPMs?
> |  >|  >|  > Isn't it bloatware?
> |  >|  >|
> |  >|  >|  If you don't want to use those fonts, just delete them. This is
> |  >|  >| not that hard. ;-)
> |  >|  >
> |  >|  >That's not so easy.
> |  >|  >Many apps use 'fixed' font name as default fontback.
> |  >|
> |  >|  That's trivial for you to fix.
> |  >
> |  >Again, I think that fix should go to right place.
> |  >Applications requesting 'fixed' font should be fixed first - at least to
> |  > such level that those apps if I don't have fixed font installed.
> |  >Not correct behavior is one problem, but things are much worser if your
> |  >application crashes!
> |
> |  I think you should take the time to learn about what "fixed" font means.
> |  You don't seem to understand it.
> 
> I wonder wether *you* understand what *font* is.
> 
> |
> |  >|  >Those apps (incl. Window Managers) would just crash if that font is
> |  >|  > missing.
> |  >|  >
> |  >|  >Besides, deleting 60Mb of fonts from sources would reduce size of all
> |  >|  > Linux distributions - RedHat, Mandrake, SuSE, etc.
> |  >|  >I am speaing about both RPMs and SRPMs combined.
> |  >|
> |  >|  You don't want them => nobody can have them?  That's the problem
> |  >|  with those of you that want to strip things down.  You want it
> |  >|  stripped down to your particular requirements, and screw everyone
> |  >
> |  >That's not fair.  I am not going to "screw everyone else"
> |
> |  Sounds that way to me.  You can choose to not use these things
> |  right now, but instead you want to take away the ability of others
> |  to choose *to* use them by removing them.  Sounds very selfish to me.
> 
> In fact, all your mails are terribly arrogant.

Hello,

I just wanted to point out that your own mail are also not inocent in
what regards arrogance.

But again, it is free software, nobody is stopping you to go ahead and
do it, if it is good, then people will follow suite, if it is bad, it
will be forgotten, this is the way things work in the free software
world.

I look forward to trying out your reduced size X tarballs and build
them.

Friendly,

Sven Luther