RE: AT&T as service provider

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Ah, well, if one is using a wifi hotspot then that's a different matter
entirely I absolutely agree. However as far as I remember the OP never
mentioned wifi hotspots, only using the iPhone's data connection, so I
understood the question to implicitly involve using the device for its
tethered 3G connection.


From: Dale Eshelman [mailto:eshelmand@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: 10 January 2010 19:00
To: Christopher Woods (CustomMade)
Cc: 'Nancy'; vnc-list@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: AT&T as service provider

It is correct that flash CAN effect the ability of one to connect to the
data service on the iPhone. Here is how. When you use the iPhone to log in
to a WIFI connection and the login uses flash the login cannot be completed
on the iPhone. The selection list to select your ISP to continue log in
using the iPhone screens in the Safari browser is written in flash at many
WIFI connection login screens. There is no way past this on an iPhone. 
It is the Wayport WIFI connections (US) which have been the primary
culprits. The whole portal is NOT flash. Only the list of ISPs in the drop
down menu. Since the iPhone does not support flash, the list does not appear
on the iPhone screen to select. It cannot be typed in; only selected from a
list (ex. or

So if you have VNC app on your iPhone, you will need to login at a WIFI spot
which does not require flash to login.

If you are using tethering, that is a different scenario. That means using
the iPhone as a modem (so to speak) instead of using the iPhone directly.
Tethering through ATT on the iPhone has been a rough road. ATT did not allow
it to happen for a long time through the iPhone. I have not tried it
recently but I believe it is now functional. 

On Jan 9, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Christopher Woods (CustomMade) wrote:

NOT true. It is not FUD I am setting there with the same connection

with two different pieces of equipment. In addition, Apple has stated 

so much and conversations with ATT also confirmed.

The iPhone DOES NOT support a flash player plug in.

Therefore flash CANNOT run on the iPhone. While a Mac / PC sitting there

side by side with the same connection works fine.

Indeed, but I read it as you implying that the lack of Flash functionality
on the iPhone would affect the device's ability to connect to the data
service. I've never, ever seen a tethered cellular access setup where I have
to log in through a Flash portal - as far as the network's concerned,
whether it's your handset or your handset bridging the connection to an
external device via Bluetooth or sync cable, the network just sees the
traffic as coming from the device itself. There should be no additional
login steps required as the handset has already done that (and is de facto
authenticated as it's a registered device on the network). No Flash support
required. (certainly when I use my own device for tethering, I run the
generic Windows Mobile Connection Sharing app (which DOESN'T authenticate
with anything) on my phone, set it up to share via USB and then hit Connect
- it establishes the data connection and I plug my computer in, and the
phone appears as a network interface. I'm up and running without any other
logins almost immediately.

I suspect the iPhone is treated differently by AT&T from its other standard
handset range; I would still wager that the iPhone data plan doesn't allow
for nonstandard ports to be used (i.e., VNC et al) whereas the regular AT&T
data "bolt-on" package allows for more unrestricted usage.

YGWYPF is valid here :)

Dale Eshelman

MonaVie (Distr ID 1316953)

The closer I get to the pain of glass in Windoz, the farther I can see and I
see a Mac on the horizon.

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