Hi folks, Three items of interest: 1) I've started the merger of the V4L and DVB wikis. I posted an announcement on the main page of both. Offhand, I can't remember what the exact licensing issue was (no longer have emails and couldn't find the post discussing this on the m/l's in a cursory search), so that part of the announcement I posted is a little lacking in description. Hopefully someone else can recall or fill in the details of the legal mumbo-jumbo. Personally, the issue is moot to me. And lastly, I'm going to pre-emptively state that I'm not at all interested in any sort of dialogue with those who might be so inclined to try to turn this issue into an episode of political bureaucratic zealotry. If anyone else can improve upon the announcement, or think of other things that might be important to address, then by all means please do so. Issues I've run into so far are: - I couldn't create a new namespace in the Linuxtv wiki ... seems to me, IIRC, that I successfully tested doing this previously, so I'm not sure why it didn't work today - images don't export/import properly ... going to have to figure something out about that one - unlike articles in the "main" namespace of the wikis, there doesn't seem to be a way to rename images ... need some sort of file management feature, as a number of the images are poorly named. 2) In a related issue regarding the wiki(s), and one for which I have reached inquiries before, I will post Devin's questions to me and try to provide an answer: Devin Heitmueller wrote: > Hello there, > > Thanks for posting to the list so I could reach out to you. > > I wanted to ask you about some deletes you performed on the linux-dvb > wiki, with the only comment being "redundant": > > # 23:09, 24 August 2008 CityK (Talk | contribs) deleted "Hvr 950" (redundant) > # 23:09, 24 August 2008 CityK (Talk | contribs) deleted "Hvr950" (redundant) > # 23:08, 24 August 2008 CityK (Talk | contribs) deleted "Hvr-950" (redundant) > > These were actually intentionally created as redirect pages so that > searches would properly send user to the correct page. Both "hvr" and > "950" are too short for the mediawiki indexing engine. This is a > common practice in mediawiki. > > In fact, without these redirects I couldn't find *anything* I could > put into the search box that would result in pointing the user to the > HVR-950 page. The only way to get there was to go through the various > pages ATSC->ATSC USB Devices. > > If you have a suggestion as to how else to deal with this issue > related to search, I am more willing to listen. > > Regards, > > Devin > > Hi Devin, First off, thanks for all the work you have done in the wiki, as it doesn't go unnoticed. To address your email: I certainly understand that those pages were intentionally created. The general reasoning for my removing them can be found on my user page (http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/User:CityK) under the "here's what I propose" and "User Sign up /Login Subpage" sections. Specifically: : "Formalize entries * this includes proper article naming .... more then slightly pedantic, but necessary (think libraries -- they don't just throw things on shelves)" and "As the wiki grows, it takes an increasing amount of effort and discipline to keep it from quickly turning into a tangled mess. So it's up to each of us to make sure the information submitted is easy for everybody to find and access. If you make a contribution and later find that your submission has been edited or moved to another area of the wiki, please don't feel offended. Everyone understands and appreciates the time and efforts you took, but bear in mind that a factual and well-organized resource for everyone interested in analog or digital TV is the ultimate aim of the LinuxTV wiki." I note that "hvr950" itself definitely produces a hit result in the search, but the other two do indeed suffer as a result of the three letter search limitation (both a space and dash are not read by the search engine). However, there isn't anything unique to the hvr-950 in this regards, as the same thing holds true with plenty of other entries (e.g. perform a search in the wiki(s) for , say, "QAM", "NXP", "MSI", "i2c", "VLC" , "RDS" etc etc etc.). The three letter search limitation is quite common to most forums and wikis. I have no idea if there is much that we can do about that. But I do know that multiple redirects makes things messy and lends itself to complications. (Nor is it necessary to have every possible spelling of entries, as some have done -- hypothetical example for the word digital: digital, Digital, DIGITAL, dig., Dig. etc ). I also would encourage people to use the indexes (link provided on main pages of wiki(s)) when searching. They are neat and orderly, and if you are viewing the page with a browser that supports "find as you type", finding "950" takes seconds. I also specifically implemented a triangular gateway system between manufacturer pages, device type and the actual device page. So, it usually shouldn't be too hard to find a particular model if its been added to the wiki [I note that, since formalizing entries (e.g. Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-950, as opposed to simply "hvr-950"), other users have caught on to the nomenclature system, as well as adopting the similar article section layout! It used to be quite common that someone would just simply create, say, "TV Walker" as opposed to a formal "LifeView TV Walker Twin DVB-T (LR540)" entry]. In conclusion, I would like to see redirects kept to a bear minimum and believe that finding device information in the wiki(s) is not that difficult, and is aided by several vectors/avenues of approach by which the user can take. 3) For your viewing pleasure (and in the spirit of Halloween) I resurrect an older thread that I'd like to see some meaning movement made upon : http://marc.info/?l=linux-dvb&m=120000803816050&w=2 -- video4linux-list mailing list Unsubscribe mailto:video4linux-list-request@xxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/video4linux-list