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Ernst Dinkla wrote: >>Art wrote: >>If you wish to challenge my statements, please indicate >> > specifically > >>which parts in the posting your believe are inaccurate. >> > > All your statements were mentioned once or more by one or more > people over the past 6 months. They usually were accompanied by > statements that some of the effects are not happening that often > or haven't occured at all. From discussions I have had both on and off this list, and from receiving sample scans, all of these issues I enumerated have been CONFIRMED to exist, whether I own the scanners involved or not. > There were also solutions mentioned > and made for some of the problems. I'm a happy owner of the Nikon > 8000ED and I know at least two other owners (friends) that > consider it a good scanner. There have been enough statements by > owners on this list that they were happy with the scanner. > Some of the issue have work arounds, none particularly have solutions. All work arounds require either compromises in terms of speed, or quality, or the need to purchase or even manufacture items to fix them (as you have determined). Nikon's response is to either ignore the facts, provide workarounds which create other issues, or to make extra income on the design defects by charging considerable bucks for things like glass carriers. > You exaggerated the problems, denied the Nikon's advantages, and > favoured the Polaroid 120 and that all based on experience of > others while you had no first hand experience of both scanners. > The Polaroid 120 must be a good scanner (no first hand experience > here) but I do not consider the Nikon 8000 ED a bad scanner. > Exaggeration is in the eye of the beholder. I consider when people return devices they really wanted, due to defects or design elements, that shows a pretty clear indicator of the impact of a defect. I favored the Polaroid based upon the pleasure most people who own them have reported, Polaroid's response to customer issues, and because, of the three major medium format scanners on the market, it is the only one that hasn't been shown to have major image quality issues. Since that IS THE WHOLE POINT of a scanner, it seems an appropriate conclusion to me. The SS120 isn't perfect either, but it is, IMO, the best choice and the best value (It also costs a comfortable amount less). I mentioned the one known problem and the solution with the reflections on the carriers. I mentioned it doesn't have dICE for mishandled film. > This discussion isn't what William asked for but it isn't > practical for me in Europe to do a test scan for him. Dave King > another Nikon 8000 ED user gave some MF scannerreview URLs some > time ago: > My first offer to William in that message was to get his request to a larger audience on other lists and newsgroups so he could have his request fulfilled. I am now trying to do the same for him with the SS120. I also wanted him to know that his test was not without some problems, since it relied upon the scanner operator's abilities as well as the scanner hardware/software itself. Yes, he should consider other information sources, look at the web, etc, and I believe I did suggest that to him in my email. Once again, the whole reason I had intended this to be private mail was to avoid stirring up this whole can of worms again, (and I do take full responsibility for it having become public, in spite of my intent) but since I am being challenged publicly, I have responded to the critics again. At this point, I am ending my participation in this thread. Anyone who wants to relive this type of thread can look through the archives. Hopefully, William will get the tests results he is desiring and make a decision based upon what is most useful for his needs. If nothing else, he now has a choice, and I wouldn't argue whatever decision he comes to. I simply wish him to make his decision without any sense of Nikon's name representing a level of quality it may not have been shown to have fully provided in its scanner product line. Art - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.