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I'm guilty of a short reply to Rafe. Since this WAS off topic I changed the Subject Line to "Creator" so anyone not interested could delete it. There has been a request from Mitch to keep the list on topic and I respect this. Why thes topic goes on and on and on is beyond me and I regret having made my initial comment. I surely did not intend for it to cause valued posters to think of or leave the list. Paul - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.