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I think this somewhat depends on what is going to happen to the images after scanner. I am certainly not finding it necessary to clone extensively. I am not seeing dirt/dust defects on my prints (up to about 11" x 17"). I do more cloning if the image will be printed large, but I am never spending more than a few minutes on this. For smaller images, I only find cloning required for larger junk that I should probably have caught prior to scanning. IMHO, dICE is most useful to eliminate defects from film such as scratches, fungus, embedded dirt (due to bad handling or processing) fingerprints, or other materials that have damaged the surfaces during storage. In fairness, there are many people with these types of defects on their films, especially older film. However, when I scan most of my film from the last 10 years, (using the SS4000+ at 4000 dpi) I find a quick clean up with a very sold synthetic bristle brush or air, and a couple of minutes cloning, and the image looks good. On the other hand, my Minolta Dual II requires much more cloning work, and it is a 2820? dpi scanner. Art Kennedy McEwen wrote: > In article <FAEBJHPJNNGCAGDNGLNPGEODEFAA.firstname.lastname@example.org>, gary > <email@example.com> writes > >> I wouldn't be too concerned about ICE unless your local lab really sucks. > > > > I would disagree with that - unless you want to spend hours with each > scan cloning adjacent areas over defects, either ICE or FARE is > essential, even on new, allegedly clean, scans from the very best of labs. > > As soon as you take the film from the protective bag it will collect > dust - even in the few seconds it takes to pop it into the scanner. > 4000dpi scanning requires better than Class 1000 clean room conditions > to be used without ICE or cloning - how many of your scanning > environments meet that specification? - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.