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From: "Phil.Lippincott" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Subject: Re: Proposal for Scanner Comparison Hi Carl, We obtained the URL today the test comparison web site will be titled "ScannerForum.com". As you can see I'm also hoping to arrange for a forum and to allow multimedia viewing of some of my scanner technology and "Scan Technique" papers and training materials there as well. The Scanner Comparison Test Criteria is basically to physically scan the Kodak T-34 Optical Density Scanner Calibration and the U.S. Air Force Optical Visibility Resolution Targets. The Kodak target goes between ISO Status A clear substrate .02 density to 3.4. The Air Force target goes between line pairs per millimeter of about 30 to 8000 ppi or dpi. I first started doing these test in 1992 because I needed to find out in detail where the sources of scanner quality problems originated for a very important client. I presented the test methodology at a PMA conference session in 1999. On some of the 40 scanner tested the scanner manufacturers have been very helpful. Companies like Epson, Scitex /Creo, Heidelberg, Howtek, Umax have all helped. Because I have been doing this for about 10 years most manufacturers scanner product managers, know that I am doing it and a few thousand people have viewed the results at trade shows. Many of the manufacturers who have not assisted but who have been tested; had representatives come to see the results at PMA / DIMA this year. These included Kodak, Nikon, Polaroid and Imacon for instance. They wanted to see how their product performed, because frankly many of the companies aren't really sure. They don't all perform these tests and some of them aren't sure how they should be conducted. Also generally nothing about the available product specifications directly relate to the scanner actual optical quality performances. So well meaning employees of these companies appreciate being able to judge the performance for the first time. In all cases even when the manufacturer is performing the tests, I have personally been present to assist them in a proper conduct of the test procedures. I hope to offer this web site to the industry for both scanner users and manufacturers to collaborate. This means if a manufacturer wants to submit scanners for testing or re-testing etc. they can. It means also if individual owners of scanners want to run the test procedures in a controlled fashion and submit results they also can. Perhaps with time these kinds of activities we can improve the products, knowledge and general state of affairs of the scanner industry. Also if someone owning a scanner doesn't get the same performance comparably to the test results, they can know that there is a maintenance or manufacturing problem. We'll see how it goes and if people want to get behind this in a positive way. Best Regards, Phil Lippincott ************************** I have no personal knowledge of these test targets and really don't need it in order to make use of the results obtained as long as there is some guidance of how to interpret those results, which I am sure would be provided. All of this sounds very reasonable and is something that I feel will be very useful. Obviously, you are someone who has obtained a certain amount of credibility within the industry. Your ultimate goals are honorable and I think worthwhile. I look forward to your efforts. Warmest Regards, Carl Grohs, Jr. Design Directions Eden, NC Good scan info site: www.scantips.com List archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scan - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.