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I have been selecting and killing entire article threads because the s/n ratio had dropped into ad hominem attacks. firstname.lastname@example.org *may* be technically competent however he conceals it well with his unprofessional conduct. Art: Tempting as it is, it is not worth debating someone you don't respect. Beware the fallacy of the last word - you will never get it. Put rafe into your kill file and go on. Cheers, Paul - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.