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In part, I agree with rafe's "holy grail" assessment...this stuff hasn't been around long enough to have actual results of real time aging, so all the testing is simulations. I've done some "worst case" and "normal case" testing over the past couple of years, which leads me to believe that at least some inks deserve an archival rating...depending on how we define that term. Lasting forever? Under what conditions? If we're talking about normal home display, in average room light, even some older dye inks that aren't even in the race for archival status will last for several years...that is, retain pleasing color balance and density. Some of the newer dye inks show impressive durability, even in a few hours, daily, of direct sunlight through a window...conditions that wipe out the older ink within a few weeks. Buy a small batch of whatever you're interested in, and test it yourself. on 02/13/2002 05:13 AM, email@example.com at firstname.lastname@example.org wrote: > > Archival dye inks are still somewhat of a holy grail. > - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.