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I have no disagreement with you regarding the points you make; I was merely attempting to present Tony's position. However, even given your concerns, I still think that third party archivists and repackagers of list should get the permission of the list owners before engaging in such activities, if not for legal reasons than as a common courtesy. -----Original Message----- From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com]On Behalf Of Raphael Bustin Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 5:38 AM To: firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: RE: Tony's List (A bit O.T.) At 10:31 PM 2/6/02 -0600, Laurie wrote: >I do agree that archives for the various mailing lists that are indexed, >have search engines, and are kept up to date are most helpful; but if some >third party wished to do it, I believe they should get permission from the >list owner first to republish in full or digest form materials that were >first introduced on the list owner's list or establish an indexed archive of >those materials. A discussion list without an archive is, IMHO, a dangerous thing. Particularly when the list is privately hosted, and particularly when the moderator/owner has an agenda. The Leben lists are privately hosted, but the moderator tends to be rather invisible, and is not a contributor. In Tony's case, it's privately held, and Tony does contribute, and is active. I know Tony well enough not to be too concerned with that, but there are others who are less deserving of that trust. I have participated briefly in a privately-hosted list where the moderator was quite active, and took to deleting posts that he objected to, and purging the "archives" (which he controlled, of course) of posts that he objected to. IMHO, that's no way to run a "forum." rafe b. - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions. - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.