Re: Darkroom hazards, was Levels & Curves

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Didn't mean to ruffle feathers.  Im just getting tired of listning to a
bunch of people with no background in any discipline except some Social
Science, that seem to have so much influence on our law makers.  And yes,
inhaling some of the fumes might cause a problem for some people, but these
same people might be bothered by smelling flowers, or gasoline.

RIT and I think MIT or Harvard did a joint study on darkroom workers in the
early 80's.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave King <kingphoto@mindspring.com>
To: <scan@leben.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: Darkroom hazards, was Levels & Curves


> > Ansel was only one of many  photographers that lived very long lives.
>
> Which really proves nothing.  In addition I don't recall anyone saying
these
> problems were of a life threatening nature.
>
> > It seems that the only real concern with photo chemicals that has been
> > documented by true professionals, not a bunch of eco-freaks is skin
> problems
> > from the developers.  This includes color chemicals..
>
> I'm convinced from my own experience and those of many others that
problems
> from inhalation can develop over the long term.  Anecdotal, yes, but to
the
> best of my knowledge science has yet to find this issue significant enough
> to turn it's considerable potential for investigation in this direction.
If
> you know of any credible studies that track high exposure darkroom workers
> over the long term, please let us know.
>
> The numbers who use "science" to willfully and stubbornly ignore the
> patently obvious are legion.  You appear to have joined their ranks.
>
> Dave
>
> >
> > ron
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dave King <kingphoto@mindspring.com>
> > To: <scan@leben.com>
> > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 8:48 AM
> > Subject: Re: Darkroom hazards, was Levels & Curves
> >
> >
> > > Artist beware isn't about photography, if I recall, photo chemicals
only
> > get
> > > passing mention.  It's about materials that sculptors and painters
use,
> > some
> > > of which are extremely hazardous.  Significant numbers of artists have
> > been
> > > severely injured before even knowing the potential dangers.  Perhaps
> > you're
> > > thinking of "Over Exposure", which is about photography specifically?
> > Which
> > > book are you referring to that came out after Ansel died?
> > >
> > > Whether the information is correct to the point of scientific
certainty
> > > isn't the deal here.  It's to alert people to the dangers, and help
them
> > be
> > > avoided.  My memory of the book (it's not at hand) is that information
> was
> > > presented as it existed, some anecdotal, some from controlled tests as
> > they
> > > existed.  If I recall, caveats about accuracy were given.
> > >
> > > Most darkroom chemicals aren't terribly dangerous in the short term,
but
> > > neither is smoking, and my grandmother who smoked all her life lived
to
> > 80+.
> > > The inference using Ansel as example is absurd.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: morris <morris@jps.net>
> > > To: <scan@leben.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 12:29 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Darkroom hazards, was Levels & Curves
> > >
> > >
> > > > Thats why Ansel only lived to be 80+.
> > > > "Artest Beware" is a lot of BS from people that don't have any
> > background
> > > in
> > > > medicine or bio-chemistry.
> > > > The same people that felt BTFE in our gasoline would be good.
> > > > Read the book that came out after Ansel died, which was reviewed by
> both
> > > > Harvard and RIT.
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Dave King <kingphoto@mindspring.com>
> > > > To: <scan@leben.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 7:43 AM
> > > > Subject: Darkroom hazards, was Levels & Curves
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I was taught this in art school college level photo classes 30
years
> > ago
> > > > > too.  By cracky:)  Let's hope this isn't still being taught - ever
> > > wonder
> > > > > why so many old photographers develop Parkinson's?
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't used my darkroom since investing in Profiler Pro and an
> > X-Rite
> > > > > DTP-41:), but I had become somewhat chemically sensitive over the
> > years
> > > > and
> > > > > found a book called "Artist Beware" very helpful in the design of
my
> > > last
> > > > > darkroom ventilation system.  (Another book called "Over Exposure"
> > gives
> > > > > hazard analysis for photographic chemicals specifically.  Don't
know
> > if
> > > > > either is still in print.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Using what I learned in Artist Beware, I built a shallow but wide
> box
> > > onto
> > > > > the wall the sink is against and the intake slot is the bottom
edge
> of
> > > > that
> > > > > box.  This box feeds into a larger volume mixing chamber that is
> > > connected
> > > > > by standard vent pipe materials to an exterior mounted *restaurant
> > size*
> > > > > kitchen exhaust fan (available at Grainer).  This puppy works, the
> > slot
> > > is
> > > > > well below head level so fumes are routed away, and the pull is
> strong
> > > > > enough that small children and pets get sucked into the vent slot
> when
> > > > they
> > > > > get too close:)  The stuff they market specifically as darkroom
> > > > ventilation
> > > > > products is a pathetic, and perhaps even dangerous, joke - they
> don't
> > > > work.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: gary <gsellani@accesscom.com>
> > > > > To: <scan@leben.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 1:23 AM
> > > > > Subject: RE: Levels & Curves
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I've seen the motorized vents and Keeble and Schucat. If you
> haven't
> > > > been
> > > > > to
> > > > > > the SF Bay area, that is the "bring lots of cash but we have the
> > best"
> > > > > > camera store. It is one of the few lens rental places in the
area.
> > The
> > > > > have
> > > > > > the Jobo AT1500 there as well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Getting back to the darkroom, I remember in high school handling
> the
> > > > > prints
> > > > > > with bare hands. Even worse, one trick we learned was to rub the
> > areas
> > > > on
> > > > > > the print you wanted to get developed a bit more because the
> > friction
> > > > > would
> > > > > > heat up the area, which in turn speeded up development. I'm
> guessing
> > > > today
> > > > > > nobody puts their fingers in the chemical baths.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: owner-scan@leben.com [mailto:owner-scan@leben.com]On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > > > > > byard pidgeon
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 5:38 PM
> > > > > > > To: scan@leben.com
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Levels & Curves
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When you're putting in that "small darkroom", be sure you
learn
> > how
> > > to
> > > > > > > ventilate it properly so you don't poison yourself.
> > > > > > > The American Lung Association may have some info for you on
> this.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > on 12/26/2001 11:11 AM, gary at gsellani@accesscom.com wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > No argument that the digital manipulation is better than
what
> > > > > > > you can do by
> > > > > > > > hand in a chemical process.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That said, I have a house in design stage and will put in a
> > > > > > > small darkroom,
> > > > > > > > something I always wanted. We may reach a point in history
> > > > > > > where I am the
> > > > > > > > last guy in America doing wet photography. ;-) I notice lots
> of
> > > > > > > enlargers
> > > > > > > > showing up on the used market. Hmmm.....
>
>
>
>
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