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If you check the archives for this group, you'll see this issue has been discussed in detail before. Rather than go into it in again (it is probably still "out there" in cyberspace) I'll confine myself to one of my observations about human neuro-physiology-psychology. Humans crave analogue processes and artifacts. Digital is relatively foreign in nature, although some would argue that fractal geometry makes the world go round. Nature if full of mathematical "errors" or variations, some probably due to sloppy "book-keeping" and some very necessary for survival of life (Evolution is a good example of making good use of errors and mishaps). Anyway, our own nervous system is full of analogue noise. Go into an isolation room and listen to the background noise of blood flow through your head, and other noises. Go into a pitch dark room, and see the random chemical and electrical firing of synapses creating color and light patterns in the retina and brain. Try holding absolutely still and notice how much twitching and balance correction is constantly going on in the muscular and nerve fibres. We are full of noise, aural pink, white, etc, visual, etc. It gives us a sense of comfort. In the womb we develop with it, heart beat which changes speed and depth and rhythm, breathing, peristaltic sympathetic muscle action in the intestines, stomach noises, etc. We get nervous from too much silence. We were jungle beings, where there was always noise, wind, rain, rustling or leaves, animal calls, water flowing... My point? We tend to accept analogue noise more readily than digital noise. That is why all that hiss and crackle and pop and turntable rumble from vinyl LPs is termed "warmth" and why film grain with it's random placement and size is more acceptable than digital pixelization or noise. Our nature and culture labels these things differently and perceives them with different intent. So, is an LP or a CD "purer" sound? Can the human perceive beyond 44.1 Khz sampling rates; are human perceptible harmonics really lost on a CD? Or is it just that we crave that analogue noise that we inherently relate to as "warmth"? Well, my theory is that the thinness some report in CD audio is just the loss of all that background random noise we tend to crave. I suspect the same might be somewhat true of digital visual artifacts. As some have said, they "like" film grain, but I haven't heard too many like pixelized noise. Art gary wrote: > And there are still audiophiles with vacuum tube electronics and turntables. > About 5 or 6 years ago, some old Western Electric employees opened up a > vacuum tube factory because the market was still there and the quality of > foreign sources was slipping. > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-scan@leben.com [mailto:owner-scan@leben.com]On Behalf Of >>Dave King >>Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 6:20 AM >>To: scan@leben.com >>Subject: Re: Levels & Curves >> >> >>Gary -- real photograph? I love comments like this for their stubborn >>intransigence. I have a friend who asked me, "do you make any real >>photographs still?" I asked him if he ever listened to any real music >>still. (He listens to CDs). The basis of photography is recording with >>lenses, conversion to digital doesn't change that! >> >> > > - > Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate > subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions. > > . > > - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.
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