rafe, I will agree that scanner based printer profiling is a crapshoot - if the standard profile for the particular paper is pretty good the software-generated profile may be worse, and vice versa. I'm curious, though - have you ever purchased a custom profile for a particular paper-ink combination from a professional who uses a colorimeter or spectrophotometer or whatever the instrument is called? I just purchased 2 from CDTobie for 2 particular papers I was having trouble with, and though Epson's standard profile generally works well for my Epson C80 his profiles worked significantly better. If you like I will send you prints of the Photodisc target with Epson's standard profile and using CDTobie's for comparison - just send me your mailing address off-list. Maris ----- Original Message ----- From: <rafeb@adelphia.net> To: <scan@leben.com> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 3:13 AM Subject: RE: color profiling | On 16 Dec 2001 at 23:01, gary wrote: | | > You know, if Phil Lippencot (sp) would ever write that book on profiling | > that he threatened (heh heh) to write two years ago, maybe profiling | > wouldn't be so bad. ;-) | | | Nah, I don't think another expert is what we need here. | | I can name several such who have been trying to explain and | rationalize ICC profiling for years: C.D. Tobie, Ian Lyons, | Andrew Rodney, et. al. -- and yet some of us remain woefully | un-enlightened and unconvinced. | | Over on the Epson List, you can pretty well categorize folks | by their stand on ICC profiling... those who can't live without | it (and think you're a fool if you do,) those who have and can't | seem to make it work consistently, those who've never tried it | and don't know what it is. Among the first two categories, | you can further subdivide the folks by how much they've | spent on their profiling tools. The more they spend, the more | likely they are to defend the technology. | | I've been trying to understand and rationalize this, ever since | I first heard about profiling and plunked down my first couple | of hundred bucks to try it out ($75 for WiziWyg, and $125 for | a Microtek X6EL scanner.) | | Am I incapable of using the software? Are my expectations | too high? Are my eyes warped? Is my scanner inadequate? | Or is there something wrong with the basic premise of this | technology? I'm guessing it's the latter. If not the theory, | then at least the current implementations. | | As Carl says, it's a crap shoot. YMMV, and all that. | | | | rafe b. | | - | Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate | subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions. | - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.