Re: color profiling

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rafe,

I will agree that scanner based printer profiling is a crapshoot - if the standard profile for the particular paper is pretty good the software-generated profile may be worse, and vice versa.

I'm curious, though - have you ever purchased a custom profile for a particular paper-ink combination from a professional who uses a colorimeter or spectrophotometer or whatever the instrument is called?  I just purchased 2 from CDTobie for 2 particular papers I was having trouble with, and though Epson's standard profile generally works well for my Epson C80 his profiles worked significantly better.  If you like I will send you prints of the Photodisc target with Epson's standard profile and using CDTobie's for comparison - just send me your mailing address off-list.

Maris

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rafeb@adelphia.net>
To: <scan@leben.com>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 3:13 AM
Subject: RE: color profiling


| On 16 Dec 2001 at 23:01, gary wrote:
| 
| > You know, if Phil Lippencot (sp) would ever write that book on profiling
| > that he threatened (heh heh) to write two years ago, maybe profiling
| > wouldn't be so bad. ;-)
| 
| 
| Nah, I don't think another expert is what we need here.
| 
| I can name several such who have been trying to explain and 
| rationalize ICC profiling for years:  C.D. Tobie, Ian Lyons, 
| Andrew Rodney, et. al. -- and yet some of us remain woefully 
| un-enlightened and unconvinced.
| 
| Over on the Epson List, you can pretty well categorize folks 
| by their stand on ICC profiling... those who can't live without 
| it (and think you're a fool if you do,) those who have and can't 
| seem to make it work consistently, those who've never tried it 
| and don't know what it is.  Among the first two categories, 
| you can further subdivide the folks by how much they've 
| spent on their profiling tools.  The more they spend, the more 
| likely they are to defend the technology.
| 
| I've been trying to understand and rationalize this, ever since 
| I first heard about profiling and plunked down my first couple 
| of hundred bucks to try it out ($75 for WiziWyg, and $125 for 
| a Microtek X6EL scanner.)
| 
| Am I incapable of using the software?  Are my expectations 
| too high?  Are my eyes warped?  Is my scanner inadequate?  
| Or is there something wrong with the basic premise of this 
| technology?  I'm guessing it's the latter.  If not the theory, 
| then at least the current implementations.
| 
| As Carl says, it's a crap shoot.  YMMV, and all that.
| 
| 
| 
| rafe b.
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