Re: Archiving Scans -higher dpi better?

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Thanks Ira.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ira Beckoff" <imbeck@adelphia.net>
To: <scan@leben.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 1:05 AM
Subject: Re: Archiving Scans -higher dpi better?


> Try spelling it this way.
> www.hamrick.com
>
> good  luck
>
> Ira Beckoff
> imbeck@adelphia.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sam Franc" <franc@oregonfast.net>
> To: <scan@leben.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Archiving Scans -higher dpi better?
>
>
> > I can not load this page or find anything about it on Google.
> > Give me another hint on getting View Scan
> > Sam
> > At 01:18 AM 12/11/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Answer to Arthur:
> > >
> > >I currently use the HP Photosmart S-10 (SCSI), but I DO NOT use the
> canned
> > >software.
> > >I use Hamerik's VueScan www.hamerik.com  which allows tapping the full
> > >resolution of the scanner. VueScan is $40 with lifetime upgrades, works
> with
> > >all common flatbed and film scanners both MAC and Win.
> > >
> > >Attached are two scans of Kodachrome slides taken 12 years ago, using a
> > >Point & Shoot zoom camera. Original scans; done last week, were @ 2400
> dpi,
> > >cropped & resized down for fast viewing. Also a crop @ 2400 dpi.
> > >@ www.upbeat.com/pc-setup/Color/HP.html
> > >
> > >I have printed very good 8" x 10" prints from these scans after
resizing
> to
> > >8 x 10 x 240 dpi. Vuescan has color correction profiles for all known
> types
> > >of negative and transparencies film that are applied during the scan. I
> > >limit my negative scans to 5 frames per strip and rescan the 6th by
> turning
> > >the strip around. The software (VueScan) allows you to specify the
number
> of
> > >frames ( and the one you want, if you desire).
> > >
> > >I would assume you were using the HP software that came with the
scanner
> to
> > >get the results you described below.
> > >
> > >Mike Demyan
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Arthur Entlich" <artistic@ampsc.com>
> > >To: <scan@leben.com>
> > >Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 7:15 PM
> > >Subject: Re: Archiving Scans -higher dpi better?
> > >
> > >
> > > > I can't say what Chip might have been smoking, but I have a lot of
> > > > experience with both the HP Photosmart S-10 (SCSI) and the second
> > > > edition HP S-20 (USB) scanners, and my experience, and that of many
> > > > others, varies considerably from his.
> > > >
> > > > I found the SCSI model to be extremely electronically noisy and
likely
> > > > to cause banding in shadow regions.  Although the accuracy of color
> was
> > > > good, the resolution was not.  Further, these units elicited many
> > > > complaints of mechanical problems, including bad interlocking
between
> > > > the two main top and bottom parts, broken interlocks, and other
> > > > problems.  Some units suffered from greenish pixelized grids, others
> had
> > > > IR spatter from the IR sensor, causing random noise that looked like
a
> > > > fingerprint on an image. Also, neither the S-10 or 20 could accept a
> > > > full 6 frame piece of film since the sixth and sometimes even the
5th
> > > > could be drastically scratched.
> > > >
> > > > I went through several of each model before returning the final
unit.
> > > > The second model had better shadow results, but had worse color
> accuracy.
> > > >
> > > > The HP photosmart scanners had their place when you had to pay
nearly
> > > > $1000 to get anything better, but today, the other scanners on the
> > > > market change the issue.  I'd suggest just about any scanner over
the
> HP
> > > > Photosmart models, with the exception of Primescan 1800, and the
2400
> > > > dpi scanner marketed under several names in the US, Canada and
> England.
> > > > In particular, the Polaroid 35 EP 35mm, the Acer Scanwit, the Canon
FS
> > > > 2710 (NOT the 2700), and several of the older Minolta models, which
> > > > include the Elite, the Dual Dimage (which had 2400 dpi (SCSI) as
well)
> > > > and the new Dual Dimage II, although it does suffer from some
quality
> > > > control issues.
> > > >
> > > > The HP film scanners made sense in their time due to the expense of
> > > > flatbeds when they first came out, but the unit has always been a
> > > > compromise, no longer required since flatbeds are so cheap.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, that's may opinion,
> > > > Art
> > > >
> > > > Chip Louie wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  > Hi Paul,
> > > >  >
> > > >  > I bought a new Polaroid Sprint Scan 4000 a few months ago and am
> very
> > > > happy
> > > >  > with the quality of the scans I've managed to pull off my
chromes.
> At
> > > >  > $450USD after the rebate it was a steal.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > Before I bought the SS 4000 I had an original SCSI version of the
> HP
> > > >  > PhotoSmart and it was a very good film scanner and a surprisingly
> > > > good small
> > > >  > print scanner.  The film scans from the HP were very good,
actually
> > > > better
> > > >  > than the Nikon LS2000 in color response and grayscale performance
> and
> > > > with
> > > >  > care, just as sharp.  Where the HP was not quite as good as the
> > > > LS2000 was
> > > >  > in the shadows, the Nikon could get more out of dense film images
> (I
> > > > mostly
> > > >  > shoot slides), where the HP tended to show slightly higher levels
> of
> > > >  > quantization noise.  The Nikon LS2000 has the ICE feature which
can
> > > > be used
> > > >  > to remove the effects of dust in the scans but ICE make the scans
> > > > look too
> > > >  > soft IMO.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > I have a friend who bought an LS2000 when they first came out and
I
> > > > got to
> > > >  > play with it quite a bit before making a decision on which
scanner
> to
> > >buy
> > > >  > for my own use.  The Nikon scanner software was awkward to use at
> the
> > > > time
> > > >  > but is probably better now.  The ICE feature was very attractive
> and
> > >was
> > > >  > what first caught my eye.  But in the final analysis for maximum
> > >quality
> > > >  > scans there is just no substitute for cleaning the film before
> > > > scanning and
> > > >  > good old fashion hand retouching in the photo editor of your
> choice.  I
> > > >  > never managed to get ICE images to look as clean as a non ICE
> image, of
> > > >  > course the differences are slight but when you are trying to get
> the
> > >best
> > > >  > image file for output it can make a difference.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > The HP was an impressive scanner for the money, especially when
you
> > > > consider
> > > >  > the fact that at the time I bought the HP, the BEST price for a
> Nikon
> > > > LS2000
> > > >  > was $1,500USD vs. $400 for the HP.  At the time I bought the HP,
a
> > > > $100USD
> > > >  > rebate was available which brought the price of the HP down to
> $300USD.
> > > >  > While the Nikon LS2000 is an excellent scanner, at 5 X the cost
of
> > > > the HP it
> > > >  > was not good enough.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > Some people posted that they had what may have been electrical
> noise
> > > > causing
> > > >  > interference patterns in their output files but most did not.
Some
> > > > returned
> > > >  > them and got replacements and the problem was solved.  I guess I
> was
> > > > lucky,
> > > >  > I still consider the HP to be an excellent scanner for under
> 2700ppi.
> > > >   The
> > > >  > HP's are now available used and sometimes refurbished for about
> > > > $200USD and
> > > >  > are still a very good scanners for the money IMO and many others.
> > > > Use the
> > > >  > link I posted, it has very good technical analysis of a large
> number of
> > > >  > scanners and is very reliable from my own experience with film
> > >scanners.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > Regards,
> > > >  >
> > > >  > Chip Louie
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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