I rcently updated from RH8, since the sendmail program is newer than phoebe. I also got a lot of programs updated that are for kde and a few other misc programs unrelated to kde or sendmail. Why isn't phoebe at least kept up with RH8 for program and security fixes? It seems these would be included with RH8.1 and would need to be tested for interaction with the other programs. Anyway, going back to RH8 is a way to "upgrade" your system to the latest released programs. i'm now back up to phoebe3. i got a few new kde programs with that up2date also. Jim -- Air Force Inertia Axiom: Consistency is always easier to defend than correctness. -- Phoebe-list mailing list Phoebe-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/phoebe-list