Re: The inspiring photograph - Flickr

[Jorj Takacs <jorj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I like simple definitions.

Art is mostly creative inspiration.
Craft is creative discipline.

Jorj

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On 5-Feb-10, at 9:06 AM, lookaround360@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

> Veli,
>
> I don't agree much with this distinction.  You will get great howls of
> rage from crafters.  But then, some are too timid (or modest) to admit
> to being artists themselves! The distinction I see if there is one has
> more to do with authority. At various times a critical mass of  
> artistic
> thinking occurs that inspires many. Then, perhaps, one or several will
> produce "original" works. I'm thinking of "Cubism" as an example. Of  
> the
> core originators some will become the authoritative bench mark. Most
> often, though, novel rather than great ideas (the paradigmn shifters)
> are seen as creative genius. This is typical of Western art. I think  
> the
> crafts of photography and traditional Asian art are similar. Formal
> disciplines and love for craft do not exclude opportunities for  
> original
> vision.
>
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> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: [SPAM] RE: The inspiring photograph - Flickr
> > From: Veli Izzet <veli.izzet@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: Fri, February 05, 2010 1:53 am
> > To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students
> > <photoforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> >
> > What Emily says is actually the difference between art and craft;  
> > if you
> > conceive something and do it first, it is art.
> >
> > Doing what is done already is a craft, although craftsmen can be  
> > better than
> > the artist herself.
> >
> > Veli Izzet
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-photoforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:owner-photoforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andrew  
> > Sharpe
> > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:38 AM
> > To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students
> > Subject: Re: The inspiring photograph - Flickr
> >
> > Well said, Emily. I was very blunt in my lack of enthusiasm for the
> > images (even though a couple of them are very nice), but you've
> > succinctly articulated my feelings.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> > On 02/04/2010 04:05 AM, Emily L. Ferguson wrote:
> > > At 8:38 AM +0000 2/4/10, Howard wrote:
> > > > Which all goes to show that opinions about photographs are all very
> > > > personal. What one person likes....
> > > >
> > > > I don't like Cartier-Bresson, nor Ansel Adams! Am I alone?
> > >
> > > No.  But you're probably in a pretty lonely place!
> > >
> > > The interesting thing about that Flickr page is that the commenters
> > > don't seem to have any thing to say except, sycophantically, "oh  
> > > yes,
> > > wise one, the photographs you've selected this week are indeed  
> > > inspiring."
> > >
> > > Inspiring is not an adjective I'd use for those images - they don't
> > > inspire me to do much except go hunt for someone who paints on  
> > > velvet.
> > > And, unlike the work of Adams and Cartier-Bresson, when I look at  
> > > the
> > > gallery, no one image jumps out at me and sticks in my memory.
> > >
> > > Either because we're so educated about the history and technique of
> > > photography, or because we've simply been exposed to so much,  
> > > we're no
> > > longer impressed with yet another gritty face, especially when we've
> > > stared at Steve McCurry's Afghan girl and  Dorothea Lange's Migrant
> > > Mother for a great deal of our education.
> > >
> > > My personal opinion is that, in the case of McCurry and Cartier- 
> > > Bresson,
> > > some things are great because they're the first.
> > >
> > > Steve's image turns out to be formulaic, if you go and track down  
> > > more
> > > of his work.
> > >
> > > And here's the difference: Cartier-Bresson's isn't.
> >
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