Re: [OS:N:] bash intro for high school students?
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On Thu, 2005-06-16 at 09:00 -0400, Jeff Kinz wrote: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 01:35:20AM -0700, Dan Koren wrote: > > #1 - Brian and Dan - Please use bottom posting. > #2 - Outlook/MS email clients are broken, you can fix them > with these patches: > > outlook express: http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ > > > Outlook: http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/ > > > From: "Robert Citek" <rwcitek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > What book or other resource would people recommend for introducing > > > high school students to the bash shell? > > > My favorite was the Linux programing Bible: by John Goerzen Altough teaching the subject of Shell programing using the diferent shells it reinforced the basics with grep, awk, and sed. > > > These are students that are familiar with the pointy-clicky Windows > > > environment, and they've picked up KDE using Knoppix pretty quickly. > > > But KDE can be awkward at times and some things have to be done > > > within a bash shell. I personally like the O'Reilly book "Learning > > > the bash Shell," but perhaps that's a bit much to chew on for an > > > > It would be nice to understand the reasons why one would > > prefer bash to other shells, in particular with respect with > > introducing high school students to computers. > > > > Why bash rather than ksh or perl? > > Perl is not a shell. > That being said, these are also the roots of Perl. So starting with the basics (grep, awk, sed) is fundamental even for .sh. > Perl (while wonderful) is not designed to be used interactively. > You need one of the command shells for that. One can try to use > Perl as a shell, but it quickly becomes apparent that the need to have > everything be a complete program is much more awkward than the > "command line" mode of the shells > This is not true. My respected instructor, Dr. Tim Maher will be publishing a great book from Manning called "Minimal Perl" <http://manning.com/Maher> . Minimal Perl is an attempt to show readers the effectiveness of what Perl can do with as little as one line of code. > Why bash vs other shells? > > ksh (which was my favorite in years past) is not available on all > Linux or UNIX platforms. Since it is not compatible with bash or sh > (which are available on all Linux/UNIX platforms, a ksh user when > suddenly finding themselves in one of those no-ksh environments will > find that many of their scripts are broken and no longer work, or, > worse, the script don't break but now behave differently in subtle > ways that cause significantly different functionality. > > It is much wiser, and you are giving up very little to stick with bash > or sh. (although I do miss "typeset -Z30" ) > > > > > IMHO the best vehicle for introducing high school (or > > any other) students to computing is APL ;-) > > Ah, yes - the original read-only language. ;-) > Now we use Perl for read-only ;-) > > > > intro, or not. Has anyone else introduced high school students to bash? > Tons. > Jay Scherrer _______________________________________________ Subscription and Archive: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/open-source-now-list/ - For K12OS technical help join K12OSN: <https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/k12osn>
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