Re: [OS:N:] New OS, was: Let SCO do it.

[Jay Scherrer <jay@scherrer.com>]

How else could a little guy like me talk with the big guys up the software 
chain? 
Ever since Linus had posted his announcement with the development of a new 
operating system "Linux", us little guys have had a chance to be involved 
with development. 
If it wasn't for open sourced software, I don't think the industry would be 
where it is today. It wasn't until I got my hands on RedHat Linux 5.2, that I 
was able to teach myself C, C++, Perl, Java, HTML, Bash, what else can I 
name? 

SCO is only naming the biggest players in the Linux community for reasons of 
publicity. And right now they need every bit of publicity to stay a float. 

Ever since RedHat had started releasing their versions of linux, They have 
held steady on the fact that RedHat will not include a program that has not 
cleared their stringent standards of licensing. For example; I have taken a 
lot of flack from my friends for using RedHat because it didn't include MPeg 
or DVD in it's distro. 

Now I see why RedHat watches every license of every included program released 
on their distribution disks. 

Michael, is there a way that a small guy like me, give support to the Open 
Source Now legal fund?

I would like to contribute a $100.00, I know it's not a lot. 

Jay 
On Tuesday 05 August 2003 04:37 am, Michael Tiemann wrote:
> Jonathan --
>
> You are right that there are benefits to starting from scratch, but
> remember, Linux *was* started from scratch.  There's zero guarantee that
> SCO wouldn't be playing the same games if HURD were popular, or *BSD, or
> whatever.  In a recent speech, Stallman admitted that with so many
> volunteers, there is bound to be a problem here or there, but the
> important thing is to permit the kind of innovation that free software
> enables and to clean up the odd problem (and it's important that that be
> the exception, not the rule).  What makes SCO's behavior so bad is that
> they are not making it easy for the community to remedy the problem
> they're complaining about.  That's the bad faith.
>
> M
>
> On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 10:00, Jonathan Moore wrote:
> > I think right now SCO claims are limited to code in the Linux kernel. A
> > HURD based system and a Linux based system would share a common set of
> > programs that make the total into a full operating system. However, there
> > is already existing court precedent that probably covers the other GNU
> > utilities from an attack from SCO, not that that will stop SCO from more
> > fud in that direction.
> >
> > There are benefits to starting from scratch, but it takes years and years
> > to develop a system from scratch like this. I have to wonder at what
> > impact an SCO victory would have on public opinion. There has been a slow
> > and steady development of trust in the IT world in using open source. If
> > this goes badly I don't see how that could ever be regained. I think we
> > are seeing what the attacks of the future will be on the open source
> > movement. How do you compete against free? Take them to court. SCO is
> > only the first (and weakest) in a line of threats. Just look at how MS is
> > patenting every file format it can think of. The only positive I see is
> > that there are some large companies such as IBM with large patent
> > portfolios backing open source.
> > --
> > Jonathan Moore
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> > Quoting charm@porchlight.ca:
> > > > Whatever. I said HURD only because it popped first to my mind, and
> > > > because I trust Stallman to read its source code every night since
> > > > the 80s just to prevent cases like this. I have never tried HURD yet,
> > >
> > > SCO's threat got me thinking about the possibility of someone creating
> > > an entirely new operating system.  If I was writing a new OS it would
> > > have to have some sort of new hook, something like built-in (from the
> > > ground up) voice-recognition.  Internationalization would be a priority
> > > so developers around the world could pitch in.  It would also have to
> > > be light-weight, meaning that it could run on low-end PC architechture
> > > as well as other architectures (Mac PowerPC 6100/60AV).  The OS would
> > > be extremely configurable with lots of easy to administer themes, and
> > > it would scale.
> > >
> > > While I admire Stallman and I've used Emacs a few times, HURD could be
> > > summed up by substituting a letter and creating the word HARD.  HURD
> > > still is UNIX-like is it not?  As such, SCO could probably claim it
> > > invalid if they could prove Linux contains SCO code.
> > >
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