On 08/06/2012 11:24 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Seemingly not all mails came through. On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 09:29 -1000, david wrote:On 08/06/2012 03:44 AM, Charles Henry wrote:On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Ralf Mardorf<ralf.mardorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 08:32:41 +0200, david<gnome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:I nearly take offense to this. You don't know what you're talking about vis a vis psychology. There's plenty of good research in education going on right now (I can't say what goes on in Germany though). Left vs Right brain dichotomies are a wrong understanding of creative and analytical thinking. There's a bigger picture that this all fits into, and you're missing a lot of it.You're mistaken, but it's not important, if I'm right or wrong, regarding to this. We have good research in Germany too, "good research" has nothing to do with German state schools. More than 30 years back school was a torture for me, today I experienced that children in elementary schools, who are not "averaged" are tortured in the same way, as they tortured people around 30 years ago. School is for "averaged" humans, somebody once has written: "Most people don't fit to the most people category." Btw. the knowledge we've got today about the way the brain works, in the "mass media age" becomes more and more important. When I was young I was a freak, because I'm thinking non-verbal, today "most kids ;D" do think non-verbal, since mass media are based on pictures.I think that most kids aren't interested in music. It's exceptional for one of them to want to play music at a young age anyway.Most of the self-discovery of children is based on music. They don't dare to make music, because they got the impression, that they are to stupid, since everybody rant about 4 to the flour. We were more reckless than the kids are today, but this has to do with the different social situations we're living in today. "The kids are alright." Children love to be noisy.If you've seen a classroom full of elementary school kids doing music, they're having a blast and really enjoy it.+1The basic neural processing that underlies music (pitch recognition and rhythm) is the same processing that underlies the ability to learn languages. Their enjoyment of it is what leads education systems to squash it. They enjoy it too much, they won't move on to other things the system wants to teach them ... they also become loud and excited, which the system sees as unruly and disobedient ...+½ Teachers with the gift to teach often tend to quid the job very soon, because of disputes with the staff and school administration, those who don't quit often become seriously ill. At least on German state schools are not many teachers who love to teach and know how o teach. At the last elementary school where I cared for children, I ask who was the teacher who made that good drawings with the children, there were some outstanding pictures in a landing. The answer was, that it wasn't a teacher from the school.No, young children love music until they're taught NOT to love it.+1Until they're taught that they can't really make music unless they have "the gift" (that destructive myth of the Romantic movement that only those "touched by the gods" can do art). Making music is a skill, not some mysterious "gift" that only a few have.And those children who are "touched by the gods", are not allowed to be "touched by the gods". Even this is a crime. They start to teach kindergarten children Chinese, to enable them a better live as a businessmen ;). Preliminary planning is everything, somebody has to work for the next pensioners.
No offense to any one here who has real experience with the German school system, but I have a friend who's a priest, a partial product of the German school system. He thinks like an accountant, not a priest. "Don't pursue music or creative anything; statistically, such people always fail. Better to spend your life in a nice, steady job."
His German father went into business and also thinks like an accountant, but doesn't have the same paralyzing fear of risk. Perhaps being an executive officer on a German u-boat taught him things his son never took the chance to learn.
Children have got no time to be children, this is something we should expect for the so called Third World or the dark age, but not for western societies.
The American education system does - very well - exactly what it's designed to do:
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/index.htmAnd, interestingly enough, the Japanese and American education systems were taken from Germany.
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