Re: List fault?
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On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 13:06 -0500, Grant Taylor wrote: > Seeing that now messages seem to be flowing in a timely manner, I'd > suggest that we give this list a week to a month probation to see if > it has straightened up it's act.I'd also like a comment from the list > maintainer or a moderator in his / her stead. The argument against that it is well neigh impossible to move the list if the lists dies again, and we all loose contact with each other. We can only move the list while we are a coordinated group, and the only means we have of coordinating is this list. Dying again soon seems likely. I don't know why the list burst into life this time around, but it has happened several times before only to die again a short while later. I like others think the list and its associated HOWTO is a pretty important resource. It would be nice to rescue it while we have the chance. > I'd also like a comment from the list maintainer or a moderator in > his / her stead. This person would be very handy if they pop up, but I would not be waiting around for them. The current problem we have is a social one. We are a highly technical group. Just about of any of us could run a list server. I imagine most of us have the resources to do so. So the problem isn't running the server. It is organising ourselves so the list is can be maintained over decades as participants come and go. Having one person in charge, running a domain name owned by them or on hardware owned by them is not a good way to go. So Radu your offer to set up the list is great - but since it just replicates the situation we are in now I don't think it or similar offers are such a good idea. A list on vger.kernel.org does seem like a workable solution. Large a third party provider such as google groups, yahoo groups, github, sourceforge or savanaha may be an even better solution as they would be just a reliable, and they provide a web page were we could collaborate on for things like HOWTO's. We would just have to organise among ourselves governance of the list properly. Normally I'd suggest we explore these other alternatives. But we don't know when the axe will fall again. The chief attraction of vger.kernel.org seems to be we don't have to organise governance - we just hand it over to davem and matti (vger's admins). So there is no mucking around with internal politics - one or more of us just ask them to set set up the list. So who is in favour of doing this ASAP - like within the next few week or so? If you respond to this email, we can use the archived responses as proof to vger.kernel.org's admins there is sufficient interest to make it there worth their while. > However I think that this list (LARTC) is well known and documented all > over the place. So even if we migrate elsewhere, there will still be > people that stumble on to this list. Yes, but there is nothing we can do about that. Stumbling over a dead list is not useful, regardless of how easy it is to find. A working list what we need, and that should be our first priority. If the person who owns lartc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx pops up then we can do other things that ameliorate "stumble over this list" problem - things like putting in email redirects, put notices on web pages and so on. But such things are just icing on the cake. We should not wait to see whether we can do it. Just move the list, and organise the icing later if we can. _______________________________________________ LARTC mailing list LARTC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc