On Sunday 22 Jan 2012 23:49:36 Duncan wrote: > Peter G Nikolic posted on Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:45:27 +0000 as excerpted: > > I have a problem that is annoyin to say the least > > > > I older versions of Kmail it would very happily store the mail passwords > > in the config file now it does not althou i tell it to store them > > system versions as in sig block but just in case > > > > > > KDE Development Platform: 4.7.4 (4.7.4) 64 bit > > > > every time i close down the system and restart it i have to re enter ALL > > the passwords for Kmail (thats 11 passwords) . I do not like the > > Kwallet thing and do not wish to use it at all how do i convince > > Kmail to behave > > There's a somewhat obscure detail you left out when you mentioned the kde > version, probably either because you didn't know about it, or you forgot > that it applied. Well i have looked all over the show all i can find is Kmail 4.7.4 Kontact 4.7.4 everything is 4.7.4 > > kdepim (which kmail is a part of) was stuck at the 4.4.x level for all of > kde 4.5 and some of 4.6, as the devs worked on kmail2, which switched > kmail to the akonadi backend. Even in kde 4.7 and possibly 4.8, some > distros/individuals don't believe the new akonadi-based kmail/kdepim > versions corresponding to the kde version are stable enough, so continue > to ship/use the old 4.4.x versions, altho they're looking a bit dated by > now -- at least they're quite stable. > > So at least for now, for anything dealing with kmail or kdepim, in > addition to the kde version, the kdepim version is also quite useful, or > lacking that, the kmail version, which tho harder to track, will at least > reveal whether you're using 1.x and thus kdepim 4.4.x or 2.x and thus > presumably the same kdepim version as the rest of your kde. > > That said, due to the nature of the problem I'll presume you're using the > new akonadified kdepim/kmail, not the old 4.4.x. I believe it is the new version the password fields in the account setup are grey out you can n ot select them to enter a password > > > AFAIK the new akonadified kmail/akonadi no longer has a plain-text mail > account password storage mechanism at all. You either use the kwallet > mechanism, or enter all account passwords at every akonadi restart. (In > the new setup, kmail is just a UI wrapper around akonadi, and it's > actually various akonadi resources that track email local storage and > each email account, separately. Thus, shut down akonadi and you have to > reenter passwords (kwallet or individual accounts) when you restart it, > even if kde and kmail remained running the whole time.) It has to be said a very Very very bad move yet another layer of software to go t**s up and scupper the system > > > FWIW, I had my doubts back with kdepim 4.4 when kaddressbook switched to > akonadi, but decided I'd wait to see what the akonadified kmail was > like. After trying the akonadified kmail in kdepim 4.6.0 and 4.6.1 > (still not synced with the rest of kde but they came out during kde 4.6 > at least, kdepim 4.6.0 I believe with kde 4.6.2), I'd had enough, and > decided I had to get off it, so switched to the gtk-based claws-mail from > kmail about the time of kde's 4.7.0 release, and got rid of all of kdepim > and akonadi entirely (I was also using akregator and switched to claws- > mail using its feed-reader plugin for that as well, I run two separate > claws-mail instances now, one for feeds one for mail) by 4.7.1. It's > rather ironic that almost exactly a decade ago now when I switched to > Linux from MSWormOS, I picked kmail over the then sylpheed-claws, but now > I'm using the successor claws-mail having switched from kmail. =:^0 Yes i have got claws running on the laptop but i just cant quite get into it it is good done get me wrong but just something about it that does not quite do it , Althou i may well have to change to claws as this password thing is a dang nightmare al lot of them i can remember but there are 3 that are machine generated concoction of hyroglythics if they aint written down boom gone .. > > Obviously the switch took a bit of getting used to, and the conversion > process was somewhat difficult as I had nearly a decade's worth of mail > in kmail, plus another several years' worth that I had imported to kmail > from MSOE, However, seeing where kde's taking kmail, I'm /really/ not > interested in going there, and the only thing I wish now is that I had > migrated earlier, as I've been quite happy with claws-mail indeed! =:^) > The new akonadified stuff may be great for some folks and I understand > why they're doing it since it allows the kdepim folks to combine much of > the code that had been duplicated between the various kdepim components > into a single akonadi and database backend, but that's just not where I'm > going, so I wish them well, but we're obviously going in different > directions and thus I've switched to claws-mail, which which I'm quite > happy, instead. Of course there's other alternative mail apps as well; > I've read of others switching to evolution, for instance, but that's > gnome-based and I don't have nor want gnome installed, and besides, it's > a huge monolithic beast for those who just want a mail client, too, so > that wasn't for me. But claws-mail was! =:^) Yes i found a way around the mail import i found a script that took the old kmail maildir format files from the individual "inbox/arch/cur" tree and converted them to mbox then just copied them across > > > Meanwhile, of course, with 4.8 kde is introducing the new ksecrets > framework, designed to be api compatible with gnome-keyring (tho the > backends are different), and over the next several kde versions, it's > likely various apps will switch to ksecrets from kwallet, leaving kwallet > deprecated, altho I'm guessing it'll remain available thru the kde4 > series. But whether it'll be in kde 5 or whether ksecrets will take over > for kde5 and they'll drop kwallet, remains to be seen. Hummm we will see if there is one thing i hate it is centeralised password storage it just plain goes against the grain Pete . -- Powered by Kernel: 3.2.1-1-ARCH KDE Development Platform: 4.7.4 (4.7.4) 08:11:35 up 18:03, 5 users, load average: 0.02, 0.03, 0.05 ___________________________________________________ This message is from the kde mailing list. Account management: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde. Archives: http://lists.kde.org/. More info: http://www.kde.org/faq.html.