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On 04/23/2012 10:13 AM, Michael StJohns wrote:
At 12:22 PM 4/23/2012, Melinda Shore wrote:On 4/23/12 6:58 AM, Scott O Bradner wrote:see rfc 2418 - they are to keep a record as who is taking part in a WG's activities keeping track of attendees is a basic part of any standards development organization's processThe tension here appears to be between transparency of process and an individual right to privacy. I think that the IETF has a considerable stake in the former, not just because of the frequency with which some little pisher or other threatens to sue over what they perceive to be trust/collusion issues, but because openness is an IETF institutional value. I think it should continue to be. I understand the privacy issues (although I won't necessary lump them as an instance of revealing PII) but tend to think that the information being revealed is pretty sparse and the privacy concerns here probably aren't substantial enough to counterbalance the organizational interest in keeping processes as open as possible. MelindaAnd to put a further point on it - the last sentence of the "NOTE WELL" notice (http://www.ietf.org/about/note-well.html) that applies to each and every IETF meeting and working group session and IETF activity is very clear that written, audio and video records can and will be kept. A person attending an IETF meeting has no reasonable expectation of privacy for those things we define as "IETF activities". So if someone demands "privacy", the price is non-participation in the IETF.
Not exactly -- the NOTE WELL applies to contributions. Is just showing up and observing the meeting considered a contribution? Personally, I don't think the blue sheets should even be filled out, let alone published. The WG chairs can convey the meeting room size requirements without passing around clipboards and (hopefully) everybody writing down their name. There is no correlation between the blue sheets and IETF contributions. I don't see what purpose they serve anymore.