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Brian, On 23/04/12 14:59, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
On 2012-04-23 06:12, Tobias Gondrom wrote:Hi Russ, thank you for the information. In this case, my preference would be not to publish the blue sheets with the proceedings. Reasoning: The blue sheet data can at some point be used to determine movement profiles of individual attendees at the meeting to a finer granularity than today and therefore can be an issue for privacy (even though I recognize that this is a public meeting). The fact that we "may reduce" the amount of subpoenas is a viable reason, still personal data should be handled as conservative as possible. Without a significant and measurable economic advantage by the publication, we should rather not publish this data with the proceedings.Transparency with respect to IPR disclosures, or missing IPR disclosures, seems to me more important than the privacy issue. I take Randy's point that the information can be trawled for unwanted purposes, but IETF participation always carries that risk.
Actually this is not a question of what is more important:I agree that we should have the blue sheets for the IPR reasons (and also so the secretariat can determine room sizes based on previous numbers). All this is already achieved as it is today without always publishing the blue sheets to public. So my proposal is to keep blue sheets (be it in paper or electronic document form) access limited to the IETF secretariat for administrative purposes (meeting room size) and make them available in case of subpoenas on a per request basis. This will be a balanced solution to both, our intended use cases and the privacy of the attendees.
Best regards, Tobias
Tim raised a valid point: more people might decline to sign. We already have some of that, and I don't have a socially acceptable solution to that. Actually we already systematically break our rules in RFC 2418 (BCP 25): All working group sessions (including those held outside of the IETF meetings) shall be reported by making minutes available. These minutes should include the agenda for the session, an account of the discussion including any decisions made, and a list of attendees. It's only a "should" but when did you last see WG minutes with a list of attendees? In the old days of hard copy proceedings, I seem to remember the blue sheets being included sometimes as the lazy way of satisfying this rule. Brian