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Re: Fedora "Jacklab" like spin



On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 18:57 +0100, Simon Lewis wrote:
> Hello Fernando
> 
> Thanks for the positive feedback, I'm looking forward to the final
> release F12, I tried the kde live beta and was surprised how fast it
> is. As soon as I have the final F12 installed I will try your rt
> kernel (2.6.31.6-rt19).

It will not be available immediately, there will be an announcement in
the Planet CCRMA list when stuff in the fc12 branch is testable (it
takes me a while to get up to speed after a new release, how long it
takes depends on how busy I am and any roadblocks and surprises I get
when building on the new release). 
> 
> I notice that openSUSE are now shipping - as standard with 11.2- a
> desktop kernel (2.6.31) with full pre-emption, 1000Hz clock and PAE.
> (See
> http://www.linux-community.de/Internal/Artikel/Online-Artikel/Open-Source-Spezial/Codename-Emerald). 
> 
> Where do I find the open build servers in Fedora / RPMFusion? By open
> build (with openSUSE) you can create one or more projects on
> openSUSE's server and the server is used to compile the sources based
> on your configuration settings. Whilst the input of the data and the
> configuration of the project takes time their seems to be an advantage
> in that the different architectures can be compiled in one run.

In the case of Fedora you have to become a contributor:

  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join
and more specifically:
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_package_collection_maintainers

I presume the process is similar on RPMFusion. 

> Given that each each distribution suffers for the lack of packages any
> method to improve efficiency must surely be considered. 

There is a tradeoff between efficiency and security. You don't
automatically become a contributor and are able to build and release
packages, basically you have to earn trust (others have to review your
package before you can even think on building it, etc, etc). 

-- Fernando


> It's probably just another Utopia but has RPMFusion and Packman
> considered combining resources for example?
> 
> Regards, Simon
> 
> 
> Am 10.11.2009 21:17, schrieb Fernando Lopez-Lezcano: 
> > On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 20:05 +0100, Simon Lewis wrote:
> >   
> > > Hello Fernando,
> > > Apologies, I have seemed to stepped on a few toes here...
> > >     
> > Sorry if I gave that impression, that's not what I felt. 
> > 
> >   
> > > Unfortunately for best operation of my laptop I need a the kernel
> > >     
> > > > 2.6.30.x
> > > >       
> > The latest rt patches are for 2.6.31 and I'm following that new set of
> > patches with internal builds. So far so good (just today 2.6.31.6-rt19
> > came out). For running 2.6.31.x on < fc12 you need to disable modeset as
> > the userland programs are too old (ie: "nomodeset" in the kernel boot
> > line) and that has delayed me putting out a version for testing. 
> > 
> > I tried a patch to disable that internally in the kernel and was not
> > successful (I can't really automatically add nomodeset to the grub boot
> > line because then normal fedora kernels will pick that up afterwards and
> > you don't want that happening). 
> >   
> > > You are right nothing is easy, on the other hand given that most of
> > > (if not all??) the developers supplying patches to the real-time
> > > branch of the Linux kernel are Red-Hat employees. At least that's what
> > > the press says - I thought Fedora would have the best chance of
> > > maintaining an up to date rt kernel in their repo.
> > >     
> > That would have been my guess as well. But the feedback I got from them
> > was not like that. Hopefully that will change over time...
> > 
> >   
> > > As to packaging, it would be a great step forward if fedora /
> > > rpmfusion were to have an open-build service like openSUSE. The
> > > projects still have to be entered into build service but the time
> > > compiling the different architecture / distribution versions is
> > > reduced by build servers.
> > >     
> > Both projects have "open" build servers. I don't know if the definition
> > of "open" would match yours, but you can become a contributor and
> > packager in both of them. I don't know how the openSUSE servers work. 
> > 
> > Best.


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