Re: Size of official media handouts (was Re: Proposed F18 feature: MiniDebugInfo)

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On Fri, 2012-05-11 at 16:42 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, den 09.05.2012, 11:57 -0400 schrieb Adam Jackson:
> > On Wed, 2012-05-09 at 11:45 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2012-05-09 at 13:35 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > > > Alexander Larsson wrote:
> > > > > The feature page lists some of the background and statistics. It also
> > > > > lists some options in how to implement this, which all have various
> > > > > different pros and cons. I'd like to hear what peoples opinions on these
> > > > > are.
> > > > 
> > > > There is no room left on the KDE live image for installing any sort of 
> > > > debugging information by default.
> > > 
> > > We could easily drop some of less-than-half-complete translations to
> > > make room for a bit of minidebuginfo. Last time I looked, translations,
> > > fonts, etc made up upwards of 25% of the livecd. Or we could just drop
> > > the obsolescent cdrom size limitation...
> > 
> > I know I've said this before, but: we should break the CD size barrier
> > precisely so people can't burn things to CDs.  If you must burn to
> > optical media, do yourself a favor and burn a DVD, the reduced seek time
> > is entirely worth it.
> > 
> > 1G fits on both the smallest MiniDVD format and most extant USB sticks.
> > Let's do it already.
> 
> As an ambassador and former EMEA media wrangler I tend to agree.
> 
> Currently both EMEA and NA only do dual layer DVDs, both for live and
> the installer. EMEA did separate installer vor i386 and x86_64, but
> after NA had no problems with exclusively providing dual layer, we
> decided to do the same.
> 
> This being said I don't care how big we grow as long as we can still fit
> all 4 desktops (GNOME, KDE, Xfce, LXDE) in 2 arches each on one multi
> desktop live image. A dual layer DVD has a maximum capacity of 8.5 GB,
> so fitting 8 x 1 GB is not a problem.
> 
> We might have to drop Sugar, but if only GNOME and KDE go for 1 GB and
> Xfce and LXDE still target 700 MB or less, we should even be able to
> keep it.

I understand that you want to ship isolated images for each of the
desktops in this combination image, as that is what is tested, etc.
However, there is gonna be a lot of duplicated bits in those images.
Can't we use some form of image where the duplicated blocks can be
shared. Seems like an obvious win to me.

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