Re: Login on Fedora 17

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On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Adam Williamson <awilliam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-04-12 at 08:02 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Mark Haney <markh@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > On 04/11/2012 10:34 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> You can still login at this prompt with your 'root' account and
>> >> password.  From that point, you can look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see
>> >> what happened that caused your X Window System to fail.  If you want
>> >> to post that for people here to look at and offer advice, please
>> >> *don't* attach the file to your email.  It will probably be too big
>> >> and your message won't come through.  Instead, post it somewhere like
>> >> http://fpaste.org and send a link to your paste here.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > That's true it is a fairly generic question, however, the OP did state he'd
>> > tried to login with root and failed.  Sounds to me like X wasn't the only
>> > thing that is having issues.
>> >
>> > Although it could be the password he used.  I noticed one time that the
>> > password I was using simply wouldn't work on the initial install of Fedora
>> > no matter how many times I installed it.  It did work however after changing
>> > it once I got it installed.
>>
>> Maybe keyboard definition issues?
>>
>> My hardware tends to be Japanese, and sometimes the difference in key
>> positions has left me with a root password set assuming US English
>> layout. Some of the punctuation keys move when the full system boots
>> and the keyboard definition is correctly set. If I work out what moved
>> where, I can log in.
>>
>> But sometimes it's easier to just boot single user and set the
>> password again. (Don't have all the layouts memorized.)
>>
>> Lately, I am beginning to doubt the wisdom of always hiding the
>> password when you're setting it, especially now that proper passwords
>> are generally understood to be long and convoluted. It would sometimes
>> be nice to have a "Debug keyboard" or "I've checked, nobody's looking
>> over my shoulder, and I need to see what I'm typing." button.
>>
>> Setting up a new system is, statistically speaking, sometimes going to
>> require some debugging until we can put the WINTEL-pseudo-standard
>> infected hardware behind us. (And I don't even see Apple trying to do
>> that, now.)
>>
>> Of course, you can always try the keys that might have moved --
>> ()[]{}"'=;:+*-_\| and so forth -- where you'd type a user name. You
>> often have to think in reverse, of course, as in, "I thought I was
>> typing left-bracket, what would that have been?"
>
> Note that we actually have a test case which is run during validation
> testing and is intended to ensure that the same keyboard layout is used
> for setting passwords during installation and entering them
> post-install, because we had a lot of this kind of trouble back before
> we did that. To my knowledge we haven't had a major bug of this type
> since F15 or so.

Well, maybe that doesn't get applied to some of the spins?

I'm pretty sure I ended up with keys moving on a password on a live
USB of the F16 security spin. If I notice it again and have time,
maybe I should file a bug?

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