Bruce, Both Epson Archival Matte and I think all glossy papers are 'coated'. I think what Ursula is referring to are totally uncoated papers, which is to say, papers that are not specifically coated to be inkjet ink receptive....Plain old 'art' papers The reason pigment inks require coated papers is the the pigments need to stay on the surface of the papers, whereas dyes can soak in and literally dye the papers fibers (I know that the new Epson C80 inks can work on uncoated paper, but it's the exception and not the rule). Harvey Ferdschneider partner, SKID Photography, NYC > I thought it was the other way around. I thought that pigmented inks don't work > well on RC paper but dye inks do. I use MIS variable tone inks for black/white > and haven't had good luck on glossy papers but have had good luck on matte paper > (Epson Archival). With dye based inks I have good luck on glossy, semi-glossy > and matte papers from a number of makers. I may be wrong in general, but I know > what I see with my own prints. > > Bruce Ward > > Ursula Freer wrote: > > > But it's not that simple either, coated papers are made especially for > > pigmented ink whereas dyes usually work best on uncoated papers. > > > > Ursula - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.