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on 8/28/2001 10:09 AM, email@example.com at firstname.lastname@example.org wrote: > In general, how do you feel about the Generations Inks? What papers > do you find work best? Have you found a satisfactory glossy paper? > What appoach to profiling do you use? Lewis, This is a very good question actually. For glossy papers Red River Premium Gloss works very well, but will not produce rich colors. This is not a super glossy paper but kind of like f surface photopaper that has not been ferrotyped. (hope I got that spelling right). Buffing the surface of this print after drying eliminates any haze effect. About the generations inks? They can produce some beautiful prints, but they do not work well for every image. There is a very large meterism effect with these inks. And they can be wonderful for still lifes and landscapes etc. But printing a portrait will be very challenging. Humans are very good at picking out a flesh tone that is not correct and the meterism effect on these tones can be awful. A face that looks ok in tungsten light can look two toned in daylight with the highlights turning very yellow and the darker tones greenish. This does not make for a flattering image. In general, softly lit skin tones with few shadows and a full exposure can be printed well with practice. Produce a low key face with dark shadows and watch out...a good print may not be possible. To be fair, dark shadowed faces are a challenge with Epson OEM dye inks as well, but good images can be printed. Not so with Generations Pigment inks from my experience. A word about gammut: From my experience, these inks are capable of producing some bright eye catching colors. Where they fall down is in the darker colors where good saturation and detail are absent. This really stands out in flesh tones where saturation is lost on dark skin and in gradients with out much overt details. I think some of these problems may be due to printing using the epson driver which has been optimized for their inks. A RIP with custom profiles and control over black generation and ink limits may help quite a bit. Since I don't have a RIP, I don't really know but I think it would help a lot. So I guess in conclusion the Generations inks can produce many satisfying prints on Matte papers which last a long time and don't cost too much. It is just not a "one size fits all" ink that will work for every print, especially some people images. As I think a wrote in my original post, I use Wiziwyg profiles and an adjustment layer (levels) to correct for green colorcast. Blacks print best at a level of 7 in the epson driver on my 1200. I use the "plain paper" setting, which after some testing I decided gave me the most color saturation in the dark tones. -Bruce Visit my website at: http://home.earthlink.net/~smthopr - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.