Re: Colour matching etc

["Alan Rew" <arew@patrol.i-way.co.uk>]

<x-charset iso-8859-1>Len,

Thanks for your email.

----- Original Message -----
From: Len Salem <lensalem@dircon.co.uk>
To: Alan Rew <arew@patrol.i-way.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 7:25 AM
Subject: Colour matching etc


> This is a follow on from my remarks about Prove-It etc. As I said, I was
> printing using an Epson 1270.  Being worried about the orange shift -
> although I never experienced it - I have been in contact with Epson and
they
> agreed to collect my 1270 and give me a refund. That happened recently and
I
> have now bought an 1160.

>  My first prints of the Photodisc test file with
> the 1160 did NOTshow the accuracy of colour matching with the monitor
which
> I had previously obtained. I seem to have a yellow cast and be printing
> rather darker.  I am using Epson inks and have tried both Epson HWM and
> Lysonic Standard Fine Art . It may well be that I have not yet got the
> printer preferences set up correctly so will do further experiments when
> time permits but I thought I should let you know of these possible
problems
> quickly as I had previously told you all was well.

It sounds to me as if you might be using the wrong <profiles> i.e. you are
inadvertently using your old 1270 profiles with your 1160, or that Windows
98 is deciding for itself to choose the 1270 profiles 'automatically'.

The profiles are stored in the C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\COLOR directory. I don't
know what the name of the 1270 profile(s) is(are) but for my 1200 the file
is called Ee053__1.icm. I believe this may be the same for the 1270, don't
know about the 1160.

As the 1160 and the 1270 are totally different (4 inks versus 6) I would
think it likely that they have different profiles [maybe the 1160 users on
the list can help here?]. I don't know what the 1160 profiles are called,
but if you use Windows Explorer to go into the C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\COLOR
directory and right click on any .icm files you find there, and select
Properties from the context menu, then the Profile Information tab shows you
the internal name of the profile, which in my case is 'EPSON Stylus Photo
1200'. So although the file names are cryptic, the name of the printer will
be inside the file and viewable via 'properties'.

If you do some rummaging around in the C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\COLOR  directory,
you should find the profiles for your 1160 (there may only be 1 generic
profile supplied by Epson).

Once you've identified the correct profile for your 1160, go into Control
Panel and run the Printers app. Right-click on your 1160 printer, select
Properties & click on the color management tab. At this point you should
make sure you have the 'manual' radio button clicked, pick out your 1160
profile from the list and click 'set as default'. This makes sure that (a)
you have the correct default profile (b) Windows can't change it behind your
back.

If your 1160 profile does not appear in the list at this point means it
hasn't been 'installed' as far as Windows is concerned. In this case you
just go into the C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\COLOR directory again, and 'install' the
profile by right-clicking on it & choosing 'install' from the context menu.
You should also right-click again & choose 'associate', then add you 1160 to
the list of associated devices.

Once you've done all this, do another print using <Epson ink and paper> and
make sure the printer settings are OK in Photoshop.
Hopefully this will sort out your problem.

> My long term aim with the 1160 is to switch to Lysonic Fotonic inks for
> colour and their new Small Gamut for BW.  I am currrently waiting for a
test
> prints of the Fotonic, of a couple of my files, from Marrutt, before I
make
> the switch.
> If I solve the colour match problem with the 1160 I intend purchasing
> another and dedicating it to BW.  It seems that 1160's are available in
the
> USA for around $200, as they are being phased out, but over here I can't
> find anyone cheaper than jungle.com at around £295. Do you have any other
> suggestions.

dabs.com have them for the same price but with free delivery included
http://www.dabs.com/epson/printers.asp
However their site suggests they are out of stock & on order. I suggest you
phone them for more up to date details.
I've not used dabs but they are recommended by a friend I trust. Their
prices for Epson ink cartridges are good for the 1200 as well.

There were rumours on the list about the 1160 printers going out of
production so I'd just snap one up if I were you!

> Your original question certainly generated an interesting thread and CD
> Tobie's recommendations must carry a lot of weight.  Please let me know
what
> you finally purchase and how you get on.

I am waiting for a quote from a UK ColorVision dealer for the new Spyder +
PhotoCal software.
The US price is $200 which is very keen, so it's a case of seeing what the
GBP price is.
Looks a nice piece of kit <on paper>.

> As you said, it's good to have a contact in the UK - the Leben list is
> excellent but very USA.

So let's contribute to the list & see if anyone else joins in ;-)

Regards

Alan

arew@patrol.i-way.co.uk




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