rafe, >From your prior posts I gather you are using XG ink, an 1160 and gelatin paper (?Ilford Glossy). I have nearly gone crazy trying to get good looking color without profiling, trying different paper type settings, and tweaking the Brt, Cont, Sat, Cy, Mag and yellow sliders. I finally gave up and ordered Profiler RGB, which I have not yet received. Anyway, would you mind sharing either the settings you are using in the epson driver, or some tips on how you managed to get good color? Thanks, Holland Raphael Bustin wrote: > > snip > Meanwhile, I do the vast majority of my prints > (and nearly all of my "commercial" work) without > profiles -- including work that's sent out for > printing on LightJet. > > rafe b > - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.