For those of you tired of this, I apologise. For those still interested, Byte has an article on the problem where they basically swallow the Epson PR hook, line and sinker. It's at: http://www.byte.com/feature/BYT20000926S0001 I sent a note the David Em, and received the following response. I urge anyone with orange shifted prints on papers other than PGPP to send samples to David: Bob ================================================= Thanks for your note. Obviously, this is an ongoing story. While I've given Epson a chance to respond to their accusers, I've also included caveats as to their responses. So far, I've not had any fading occur with prints I made with an 875 printer on the Premium Gloss paper two months ago, so I've not experienced the problem personally, though I've no doubt it exists, since Epson's recalled the paper. Epson stated to me very clearly that the problem only occurs with the Gloss paper, and that the dyes they use are the same ones they used in the previous printer models. I've asked other readers to send me samples of observable shifts that have occurred with other papers. I try to write about things I've seen with my own eyes or experienced directly with my own tests. If you or others in your circle can send me sample strips (I'm especially interested in the Archival Matte) that show a clear color shift, I will write about it on the site. Regards, David Em Byte Media Lab Suite 100 55 West Sierra Madre Blvd Sierra Madre CA 91024 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.