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Given my promising progress on the quadtone front, and the observation that my 740 is making death-rattles (well, death-squeaks anyway) on each page (not to mention my carts are running low), I began wondering whether anyone has been so adventurous as to try the quadtone inks in anything other than an Epson? My 'workflow' (if you can call it that) should be printer-neutral, and hence in theory should be useable on another printer. Given that I know diddly about ink, though, I have no idea whether the quad inks might have problems with something like an HP or Canon head (both use heat in the process, which Epson does not, if I read things correctly), or whether the ink densities these printers lay down is even close to the Epsons. My main motivation is the apparent difficulty with refilling the Epson cartridges, but flexibility enters in as well. The Canons for example appear to be brain-dead easy to refill, and the Canon 5100 at least has easily swappable cartridges, so you can pop the quads out and stuff in color or black for text, or else get adventurous and mix in some archival color to play with the color balance in different sets...... I might still just spring for an 1160, but exploring options seems prudent, even if they have low probablity of success. Doug Kelly firstname.lastname@example.org - Please turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for instructions.