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Tomcat, The last thing that I want is for you to leave the list, if that was what you meant by your message. I think that you've contributed a great deal, certainly more than I have to this list. I have been very busy with my Mac Epson List so I haven't spent enough time on Mitch's wonderful list to give myself any undue credit. If I have a problem with your attitude, well, that's my problem I guess. I just feel that you would be taken as seriously as you deserve to be taken if you jettison the name-calling. I don't thing that anyone on this list is a pinhead...period. And, as such, I think that they deserve some basic respect. You might have a condescending tone, but a good deal of what you say is helpful for many on the list. You might not be the only source of information on the list, I think you should acknowledge others like CDTobie, John Nollendorf, Dan Culbertson, Ben Haskell, Takichi, Rafe, the TSSPhoto Guys, Jon Cone and others that have given so freely of their knowledge. This is the kind of company that anyone would be proud to be included amongst. If you think that no one on this list has any idea on refilling cartridges or buying them inexpensibly, that's not the case. I have not had any problem in that area, or color calibration, etc. Your departure hurts you more than anyone else, and I don't want to see that happen. I know that there have been times in my own life when I've felt the need to be short with people. I've had a violent temper which I've tried to conquer, I believe very successfully...well, in most cases, that is. I can laugh at myself, and don't mind when others disagree with me. I do have a sense of fairness that often makes me jump to the defense of people, but I think that is a good thing, not a bad thing. I don't understand... "Sooooo pinheads you really didn't win the pissing contest I just got a ton or orders ( ha ha ha) and like this list is way to gay for me!" Is that gay meaning happy or gay meaning a sexual preference? I prefer to believe 'happy'. I know you're not gay from the Twyla incident...but wouldn't care if you were. Of course, if you received some orders today then no one would be more happy than I. But don't use that (ton of orders) as an excuse, too many people are going to think that you're just making that up even if it is true. It was never meant to be a win or lose situation. I'd be glad to be the loser if that would help you understand the points I've raised. If anything, the only losers are the list members who don't deserve having to listen to this nonsense. I'm not asking you to do anything for me, but I don't think that you will gain anything by leaving the list. Let me tell you, if you thought hard about how much you enjoy posting, and the help you've given on a number of topics to the newbies (I mean I liked the windex trick), and then considered how much respect you could get from just adopting a more reasonable tone, I think that not only would you be more happy, but do a better job at making friends and influencing people. If you need to call people 'pinheads' or the like please feel free to call me that and use me as your foil rather than others on the list. I would, of course, prefer to be called "Mr. Pinhead" but it's your choice. I'd rather see you call me that than feel that you have been driven out simply because some might be more bothered by attitude than substance. Spelling, grammar, it's bulls**t. But respect is important. I know that you probably have me on your delete list, but hope that if you are reading his that you take a breath, read it over carefully and then take it in the spirit is intended...and not jump to any quick conclusion that I'm attacking you but rather trying to act as a friend would. Personal problems make people do strange things. I know that you've had some in the past and hate the thought that I would add to those problems now. I've had problems in the past resulting from my father's death and resulting problems in my own family. Thankfully, my friends helped me when I was down and gave me the impetus to seek help...which made me a better person today. I'm not saying that you need to get help, but any insecurity you might feel is really nothing. You should feel better about yourself and that would make others feel even better about you. Look, like a pinhead I've gone on too long. I won't bring this up anymore. I don't want you to change for me. But think about changing for yourself. Then everyone will be a winner. And I'd be the first one to extend my hand to you. Regards, Bill "They call me MR. Pinhead" Gore -------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 14:40:19 EST From: TMorris862@aol.com Subject: Wow that was sure easy!! Well I can see from all the brain limited folks ( pinheads) on this list that like why bother?/ Just to set things straight I did post a ton ( 100's) of really great tips ( that do really work) to get the rest of good folk out of hot water. The Pinheads don't read these because they didn't think of them! Pinheads never do really anything but complain. To all you pinheads out there paying $50 or more per cartrigde set ha ha ha I do it for $0.25 or less!!! TomCat has given away about as much usefull information as he cares to. Sooooo pinheads you really didn't win the pissing contest I just got a ton or orders ( ha ha ha) and like this list is way to gay for me! So to all the rest of the good readers of this list and, there are many, keep up the good work and share the information, It's just time that I stop giving away all my tips for free when the Pinheads are out there. Hey pinheads good luck trying to figure out how to do anything but cry about it! ha ha ha - Please turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for instructions.
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