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On Tue, 18 Jan 2000, Dan Mitchell wrote: > Various ways of refilling are advocated on this list. All seem to have > problems. Before any more agony can someone find out how Epson themselves > do it. I can't believe that they go thru tortuous vacuum methods, and cart. > gymnastics when filling - it has to be a simple production line, ie > automatic machine, probably very quick, method. > > When I filled Lexmark carts. all I had to do was take the top off and inject > the ink thru the same holes in an inner cover that Lexmark had used. I > never had any trouble with air/ink foam in the sponges. > > It's not an X files case - someone find someone who knows someone who works > in Epson, and get the facts please. IMO, this reasoning is not correct. Epson themselves have all the resources in the world to fill ink carts properly. I wouldn't be surprised if the machine/apparatus that does this costs hundreds of thousands of dollars. My guess is that they use a bell-jar. The entire (empty) cart is placed in a roughing vacuum, so that the ink, when introduced into the cart, fills it as completely as possible. This would also need some apparatus inside the bell jar to open/ close various vents and fill ports in the proper sequence. The bell jar is probably large enough to hold many cartridges at once. Just a guess!!! I once had a look at the ink carts in a small Canon desktop inkjet printer. They seemed eminently reasonable in their design. There were two compartments for each color. One compartment held sponge, and the other held liquid ink. The carts were all clearly visible, so that you could judge by eye exactly how full each color was. I have been agonzing over "refill economics" for several days now. You've given me an interesting idea. Forget about Epson. Go with a brand that uses a more user- friendly ink-delivery system. Or screw these small Epsons, bite the bullet, and get a 3000. rafe b. - Please turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for instructions.