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to"Gerald Olson In a message dated 00-01-14 14:45:37 EST, you posted << Rafe: Once again, for the 4th time, actually, I say: Forget third party inks for any epson printer except the 3000. IT AIN'T WORTH THE HASSLE! The colors are NEVER as good as the Epson inks. None of the epson oem/compatible colors can even come close to printing a gray scale without crossover, and they usually print the colors way too red. Stick with the Epson inks, and get them at Buycomp.com or some other place that sells them inexpensively. Maybe when someone finds a good price on a certain epson cartridge from buycomp. they could post it here. They change the prices weekly at least. Sometimes they are nearly as cheap as the imitators. (Which all seem to be made in China, by the way). Jerry >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Now now Jerry just because you had a problem with refiliing does not mean it is not a path for some to try! Are you sure you want to continue to pay $20,000 a gallon for ink when you can get great results at less than $100 a gallon? The main problem with almost all refill kits out there is they do not tell you the correct and incorrect way to fill a cartridges. I can and often do refill 25 CC 1520 cartridge ( black) in less than 45 seconds and yes I get perfect and I mean 100% perfect photo prints. But then I must have done this like 300 + ( maybe 1000?) times. I took a real hard look at the way most guys try to tell you to refill it is totally not the way to go! I have bonded in vacuum fittings that allow me to connect in seconds then I get a 100 to 200 CC flush volume of recharge ink. This is a $5 investment that has paid me back many 1000's of times. Most ( all) refill kit supply firms do not want to make that $5 investment they think this is lost profit when in fact when they do not design a real kit ( that woks) they have a lost customer who will never come back after they have tried refilling like you will never refill I am sure because you had had enough of the lies. Hey I was just like you I totally flood the upper sponge decks in the cartridges and I never get drips! Now don't get me wrong here refilling is not an instinctive skill like so many think it is a skill that must be taught so far there is not a single firm I know of is willing to make that investment they just want you to buy the " refill kit" and 9 times out of 10 it is a piece of crap that will not work! I really have saved over $20,000 by not using Epson Cartridges you see you really do pay about $20,000 a gallon or more if you use the throw away cartridges. And even it the cartridge holds 25 CC you will be lucky if you can get 15 CC out of it that is a lot of ink to throw away at $20,000 a gallon and that is just what you do each time you throw away a cartridge! The sponge cartridges I have refilled about 75 to 90 times or more and they still work great! So please before you trash the refill approach just make sure you are aware that some folks do get real good results! I would never never never again pay $50 or more for a cartridge when for less than $1 I get better prints! Hey look I was where you are now 2 years ago I tried what "the experts had to say about refilling" and it was a total mess with crap prints. I spent a lot of my time to get a perfect refill system! I am sure that as more folks realize the fortune they are spending on those tiny cartridges the market for refilling will explode I plan o be there! So I agree with you that some ( most ) refill methods do not work be assured that some do! I have proven it for 2 years now! Do not forget it was TomCat that posted a lot of refill and clog busting tricks that really work It was not one of those "refilling experts from a ink supply house". You see once the truth is out that the kits they make do not work like what can they say... so they say nothing! They just hope nobody will learn the truth that reflling is a pain a mess and does not work when you try to do it on the cheap! And so far they all try to do it on the cheap and guess what it is not working! I can not tell you of the joy when each time I install a refilled cartridgfe set I refilled I know I saved like $50 to $70!! This is by far the biggest advantage I have over all throw away cartridge printers. My real cost for a $50 print job is less than $2 to $3 in total materials! They would have 10 times or more this cost if they used throw away cartridges I sure remember the stress i had when I first tried refilling by following what the experts had to say how to refill man what a joke they did not have a clue about the mechanics of what really goes wrong or right when refilling! The truth is out there refilling can work buy you have to invest some time and money nothing is for free guys! TomCat - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.
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