I've had much better luck with making CMYK WiziWYG profiles for use with a RIP than I have with RGB profiles for the Epson driver (for a 1520). Since I almost always print through the RIP, I haven't spent much time trying to tweak the RGB profiles using the image adjustment methods posted previously on this list, and also available, I think, on the Digital Darkroom website. My WiziWYG CMYK profiles didn't seem to require any further adjustment to give accurate colors. The few trial prints I made through the RGB profiles & Epson driver, however, did seem to be shifted a bit toward the green. The prints made through the CMYK profiles & RIP appear reliably neutral, so I don't think the target could be the whole problem. I'm using Lysonic E inks on a variety of standard and non-standard papers. Richard Wohlfeiler >> As I've looked at the WiziWYG IT-8 target I notice a definite >> reddish/magenta tint to part of the gray scale step wedge along the bottom, >> my scanner picks it up too. I've covered up the main portion of the color >> swatches so my eyes wouldn't be deceived. I have the target that comes with >> EZcolor from when I tried their demo and it is quite neutral in the grays to >> my eyes and scanner. Praxisoft's only comment is that their target is >> within the standard 5 delta e of what it should be. I have no way to >> measure this nor know if it's true. I just think the neutral gray scale >> used to make a colorspace profile should be neutral. >> >> What do you think, could the problem be in the target? >> >> Dan > - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.