Okay, that's fair--I would certainly like Photoshop to be my "standard", since I can't do meaningful image manipulation in the Acrobat reader or any of the other programs that simply "print" to the Epson driver with no options except what the driver provides. I guess what I really meant was, is there a set of settings in Photoshop (Version 5.5) that will reduce it to the simple-minded printing approach used by these other Windows programs? I don't want to make that my standard, I just want to be able to reproduce it as a "baseline" point. (i.e. "this is what Windows printing to the EX looks like without Photoshop color management", or something to that effect.) If a color bar is 0R, 0G, 255B in my RGB working space and it prints purple, whereas it prints blue in the original PDF file from Acrobat, it would seem that either (1) something changed in the process of rasterizing the PDF file in Photoshop [which the color values seem to deny], or (2) PhotoShop is doing something "different" in the process of printing it--which I can't figure out how to turn off. With respect to your specific suggestions/questions, I'm using Adobe RGB as my working space, and my monitor is calibrated only using Adobe Gamma (but I'm really relying on the color values rather than the monitor in this case.) The file in question was rasterized using the RGB option in the PS conversion dialogue, and the color bars all indicate as "pure" in the Info window, at least for red, green & blue. Since I converted the file in PS, it presumably did not have an embedded profile, but even if it had, 255B is still blue. I realize it's probably an accident that Acrobat Reader printed the color bars correctly, but it's a reproducible accident, and I'd like to reproduce it in Photoshop if possible. Sorry for the length of this note--it's hard to get a meaningful answer to a question if the question isn't clear. Any suggestions appreciated. Gary Hunt <glh@srv.net> =========================================== At 09:32 AM 11/19/1999 EST, you wrote: > You really have the issue backwards, Photoshop is the standard and Acrobat >reader may or may not be accurate. In both cases settings are critical. It >needs to be Photoshop 5 for starters, and you need to have the RGB setup, >monitor calibration and profile preferences properly set. From there you >start with file formats: is the file RGB or CMYK, is it tagged, if so with an >RGB workingspace or a CMYK output device space. After that it starts getting >complicated <G>... still interested? Good, then you'll enjoy this list! > >C. David Tobie >Design Cooperative >CDTobie@designcoop.com - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.