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Jim Osmundson <firstname.lastname@example.org> writes on 3 November 1999 at 15:26:00 -0800 > It seems like the list has become stuck in a rut of late with a lot of > concern about some doddering old fart's obscure tests. Either that or there > are a lot of insecure people sweating bullets for nothing. Try your own > tests on your work and see if it holds up in your local environments. I'm sorry, but referring to Wilhelm's work as "some doddering old fart's obscure tests" is insulting and ridiculous. Stooping to insulting the researcher, who isn't even here, when you don't like his results, or how some people use his results, is childish, and you should be ashamed of yourself. Or better yet, you should stop doing it. You may, if you wish, say that *I* am an idiot for caring how long my prints last, since nobody else ever will; but writing off Wilhelm's work so casually is *stupid*. And, as I said here just recently, Wilhelm's tests under controlled conditions which he has selected based on years of research in the area of print permanence are worth dozens or even hundreds of informal tests of prints in our local environments. People greatly over-value their own experience, which in complex areas like this is a bad mistake and often costs them dearly later. (Which is not to say that the approximations of accelerated testing are anything more than just that, or that we may not find materials some day where the assumptions of the accelerated testing protocol are *completely wrong*.) -- David Dyer-Bennet / Join the 20th century before it's too late! / email@example.com http://dd-b.lighthunters.net/ (photos) Minicon: http://www.mnstf.org/minicon http://www.dd-b.net/dd-b (sf) http://ouroboros.demesne.com/ Ouroboros Bookworms - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.