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<<There are two physical ways of getting air out, both work very well: 1). Centrifuge-thus the "slinging" technique people have reported using on ink carts. 2). Ultrasonic vibration. clip......>> I should think that applying a vacuum would accomplish this too. I worked in my high school science class at any rate, but that was 35 years ago, so maybe things have changed. Wardie - Please do not include an entire message in your response. Delete the excess. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.