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Larry Hinz In a message dated 99-10-30 17:17:37 EDT, you wrote: << TomCat, In regards to the banners you mentioned, are you also still working with the Spar-cal static cling material you discussed before? Is it necessary to use pigmented inks with Spar-cal and how are you laminating them? >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hang in there I hope to do some testing this week I have not tried the sparCal Cling yet! Just what problems did you have: 1-The ink ran 2- the ink flakes off 3- poor color 4- poor feed 5- other? I have had some American ink jet in on a window cling decal with direct Arizona sun !! After 10 days it still looks good! I had some of the same ink with indirect sun light for many months! Soooo.. you do not have to use pigment inks it is just how log your customer want the sign to last! For best result you need to laminat the ink printed side of the cling. the adhesive side goes to the window. TomCat - Please do not include an entire message in your response. Delete the excess. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.