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Well it now seems like I have a following on this list. I get a lot of posts thanking me as they really have learned a lot from my many tricks I have posted. I only post these trick because a lot of times it is very easy to do things that some folks will tell you are impossible to do.Hey I just do what I have to do. The reason I posted the reply to the person saying that refilling is a big pain is he was right as doing anything incorreclty is a big pain! I really have no big master plan here guys I am just making my "day job" as small as possible so I can get going like a lot of folks want to with a Epson product line. When I first started to refill over 2 years ago nobody and I mean nobody (I asked) had a clue how to refill the Epson cartridges. What is a surprise to me is that almost the same applies today! I mean why the other refilling guys do not tell you to weigh the cartridges after your attempt to refill is you will see instanly what a poor refill fraction you are getiing! I get 100% to 110% of the Epson ink volume with all of my refills and have been getting this refill volume for about 6 months now! I have been refilling for about 1 year now with a greatly reduced vacuum. As I have posted I traded the high vacuum for a much higher flow vloume.I get perfect printing better than facory cartridges. I never get banding and I got some banding with factory cartridges! I weigh each refill as a quality control and I always get my refills to contain more ink than the Epson factory filled ones! I flush 100CC's to 200 CC"s of ink thrugh the carridges at almost no real effective vacuum! I have found this works way better than a high vaccum. You see the high vacuun systems tend to suck in air through the small leakls that form around the cheaply designed sealing methods they use. And I do not have to prepump out the air before I refill! It just takes a tiny and I mean pin hole leak to ruin an entire refill! Once the air is sucked in it will be almost impossible to get out using the current crop of so called vacuum refill sysyems. Sorry but the sponge media is a bubble magnet! I tried the injection method using just a syringe for months it just does not work! But if you must use injection then get at least 2 sets of cartridges to refill. And allow then to sit for 10 hours before you use them. Top them off each hour for several times before you stop refilling. You must wiegh the cartrigdes to make sure you got enough ink for like a few pages of printing. I would keep a log and then pull out the cartridges within the limits that give good printing! Sorry but the injection method is not very good you will hit a lot of bubbles and get skips. In general you may get like 30% or less of the printing that you would expect from a factory filled cartridge! TomCat Interactive Imagery - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.