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I'm also interested in the black vs color ink "dot gain" cum bleeding question. On papers like Concorde Rag with an Epson 1200, and OEM ink, the black seems to bleed much more than the colored inks, and I've seen apparent differences with both MIS Archival and Generations inks between their respective black and colored inks. Now, I'm not at all sure that these differences aren't more due to the way the printers handle black than the intrinsic properties of the ink. I believe the printer uses all the colors to create a rich black, not just the black ink alone. If so, and if the paper/ink combination is marginal to start with, the extra ink could push it over the edge so the black areas bleed. All this argues yet again for well done ink/paper specific profiles so this can be kept under control by limiting ink flows as needed. Anyone out there who actually knows what they are talking about have any comments? I'm just guessing. Ralph - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.