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Been printing along since last November with Lyson E ink set and Somerset velvet papers. Then around August I started again, reviewing Wilhelm's site. I realized from what I see there that the Epson output with these inks-paper, have NEVER been documented by him. He even goes so far as to say, where the inks-paper is listed (in the Iris section) that! Somewhere along the line (as I see and review this in my mind), those of us that adopted this in the earlier days (and very likely still now) expected that to be forthcoming; expected since it was so for the Iris in his tests, by extension it would be so for Epson. It probably is sound reasoning, but, personally, I have been choosing the conservative route with what I tell customers, including that I am going with the Wilhelm tested combinations that serve up the "better" archival ratings. And I cannot verify this still, unless I forget to mention my printer or infer it is Iris. On this list I "heard" Wilhelm was coming with this info (Epson) in August, and several people have emailed to ask what is going on over there (Wilhelm) - but no reports of any responses. 1) What are those of you using Epsons doing about no specific "Wilhelm certification" (besides shining it on of course)? 2)For those of you using the "lower rated" archival inksets with corresponding papers, how are you dealing with the lower rating (and the issue of who says, and do any of the customers care? And at what price point do customers start caring? TIA for all forthcoming contributions to this line of thought - Gary - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.