Tim Olive Said : (((But without a certain mastery of the film and camera it can well STAY inside your head.)) First: having seen and admired your work for the last 15 or 20 years I it hase been a source of inspiration know where you are coming from here is what I was trying to say: Iâve been a professional photographer since 1965 and used every popular camera and combination of film and chemical possible, I even had to use a nikon to shoot a add for a minolta camera because at that time the lenses where awful, all things considering the best camera and lenses are to be used for the best work possible which ever makes anyone happy, ( my use of lower case for product names is my condemnation of the equipment industry poor participation in development and distribution of information about their product considering what is available in the research and development area ) The cameraâs and the film that we have today is the best it has ever been, people need use it, get an understanding how it works, then create stuff to change the world for the better. Having been a teacher for a while one of things I learned from my students was that no matter how many times I explained things to some people they wouldnât get it, until they did the experiments them selves. unless they ãjust do it ã, they will never be able to master the art of it making images that create an idea in other peoples minds. they, ãmy studentsä taught me so much about making images that speak rather than just taking picture of what is their in front of them. The greatest problem is most people do not reading the manual, ( and all the time I thought I had a comprehension problem), hopping someone will give them the magic answer to what ever thing they refuse to read about. some of the question on this list can be found ã in the bookä as they say That said, photography having been around this long, one would think that we would be farther along in developing and accepting the variables of this language we call photography. What this thing called computer manipulation has done is make it possible to explain what I see and feel and make it possible to change the image to reflect what I had in mind and possibly change the world around me. giannetti@macconnect.com - Please do not include an entire message in your response. Delete the excess. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.