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Lawrence, I should be much more specific and precise. I also should not have said 7000/9000 "series" printers. Not that you or I or anybody except Epson might know this (it'd even be hard for them to know), but I wonder what the percentage of 3rd party ink users is for the 7500 and 9500 users who have access to Epson's pigmented inks? In other words, when the same "type" of ink is available from both Epson and 3rd parties for their large format printers, how many opt for 3rd party ink? In the situations you outline (B&W and pigmented color), there is no Epson option for the 7000 and 9000. So it makes sense that if you want B&W or pigmented color ink you have no alternative except to look at 3rd parties. I wonder how many users use 3rd party dye ink in their 7000 or 9000? I still stand by my initial point (which I don't want to get lost). What are the main advanatges of the 2200/7600/9600 over their predecessors? 1) Increased color gamut over previous formulation 2) Reduced metamerism 3) Superior black and white through use of 7th ink 4) Cost ALL of these advantages except for #5 are a direct result of the UC inks. Maybe there will be a big demand for 3rd party color pigmented ink for the 2200/7600/9600. But I just don't see it right now. ===== Visit my digital photography web site along with a lot of other interesting stuff at http://www.mikegreer.com. Also, Greer and Associates (http://www.greeraa.com) offers studio photography, digital imaging services, web site design/construction, and training. Mike Greer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.