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That's interesting. I'm certainly not familiar with French law, but if the following is in fact true, that would be analogous to prohibiting commercial photographs of the Washington Monument or the St. Louis Arch at night. I don't believe that would stand judicial scrutiny in the USA because it is within the public domain or purview and if some company chooses to illuminate a monument for all to see that would also be within the public domain - it cannot be cordoned off. Besides that, (from a USA viewpoint) I see no contract between the lighting company and the public, in fact or implied. It would have to be a matter of "state" law, passed by a legislature, unlikely to happen here. If there is a correlation between the Eiffel Tower and software/profile debate, it's a little too obscure for me. Konrad Poth ************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete MacKenzie" <email@example.com> To: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 3:25 AM Subject: Re: Epson 1280/ MIS Perpetual Color Ink > Have followed this thread with interest and throw in this analogy as a > possible illustration of the insidious effects of the control of copyright > that companies are applying. > > The Eiffel Tower in Paris has long been a favourite subject for photography. > If you wish to photograph it commercially you are now limited to making > images during the day. The lights that illuminate it during the night were > recently replaced with a new and complex system of lighting and the company > that made and installed them jealously guards the rights to photograph the > effect that they create. As a tourist or amateur you can continue to make > night-time pictures of the tower but as a professional you are unlikely to > be given those rights. Of course there is nothing to stop you taking > commercial pictures of the tower at night - as long as the lights are turned > off. > > See any parallels with the software/profile debate? > > > Pete MacKenzie > email@example.com > > > > > > > From: Robert L Krawitz <firstname.lastname@example.org> > > Reply-To: email@example.com > > Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:36:54 -0400 > > To: CDTobie@aol.com > > Cc: firstname.lastname@example.org > > Subject: Re: Epson 1280/ MIS Perpetual Color Ink > > > > From: CDTobie@aol.com > > Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:23:49 EDT > > > > The licensing rights to control distribution of the software and > > derivatives thereof. If you open most any profile, you will find a > > tag bearing a copyright notification. > > > > I guess I would wonder on what basis they claim copyright on data > > generated by the program. That would seem equivalent to a compiler > > vendor claiming copyright on the assembly language output of a > > compiler, which generally seems nonsensical (I haven't even heard of > > Microsoft trying to do that). > > > > I suppose that they might embed other copyrighted material in the > > profile. For example, parsers generated by Bison (the GNU equivalent > > of yacc, a common UNIX tool for generating parsers) do embed some > > other code verbatim (bison.simple and/or bison.hairy), and *that* part > > of the code is covered by the GPL, although the FSF grants a special > > exception for that file. However, if you were to elide that code from > > the generated parser, there would be no issue. Is it possible to > > separate the (presumably) fixed, copyrighted part of the profile from > > the rest of the data, and replace it with something else? > > > > -- > > Robert Krawitz <email@example.com> http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/ > > > > Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 > > Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail firstname.lastname@example.org > > Project lead for Gimp Print/stp -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net > > > > "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." > > --Eric Crampton > > - > > Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate > > subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions. > > - > Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate > subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions. - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.