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David, You said a few months ago "I don't recommend piggybacking profiles for this purpose (or any other except press proofing); if you wish to prelimit ink there are easier, more effective, ways to do it than this! Even transfer curves would be preferable to piggy backing profiles..." Would give a little more detail as to why this is not a solution. I seem to remember that one of the clever things that the color manangement systems in Windows and presumably Macs do is to 'concatenate' multiple profiles applied to a file, and just apply the one transformation instead of several. If the color management systems do this all the time, why can't we do it manually and get good results? I think I also remember a custom profile maker (Profile City?) recommending that you get the best print you can from the printer before sending the printer target to them for profiling. Bob Frost PS While typing this I have suddenly thought of one disadvantage - you won't be able to soft-proof properly. But are there any others? - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.