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I probably shgouldn't get involved in this discussion, but here it goes. There are MANY ways to skin a cat. Because one has a prefered method, does not mean other effective methods don't exist. The "layers" concept is a poweful method, but it is not the only method. Corel's Photo Paint does not have "layers", but it has "objects". Different concept adn execution, but essentially the same level of control. Other programs have neither, but have different ways of accomplishing the same things. People get locked into the method a specific program uses, then look for the same method in other programs. But what they miss is the unique and possibly better way a different program might do it because they're looking for something familiar to them. My prefered image editor is Picture Window Pro (http://www.dl-c.com). It doesn't have a layers type concept. It certainly could benefit from from it, but it's not there. However, to classify it as not being useful because a layers type concept doesn't exist would be an error of huge proportions. It's PC only so it won't be of any interest to Mac users and it doesn't have all of the general purpose graphic arts stuff. But for edit photographs, it offers as much power as anything on the market. Finally, I submit that unless one is using a bare bones image editor, people's image editing woes are typically not due to the tool they are using. Typically, it is their lack of familiarity with whatever it is they are using that is not allowing them to achieve the results they are after. I've witnesses many acquire Photoshop thinking the the "magic" was in the tool, only to eventually be frustrated because they weren't willing to put in the time to understand how to effectively use the program. There is no free lunch. --- Jerry Olson <email@example.com> wrote: > But without layers, it can't be too useful. > > Jerry > > Len Horton wrote: > > > > Thanks, Charles and Jerry. It does not claim to be a replacement for PS, > > but it claims to do what photographers need to have done and do that better > > than anything out there. The reviews it is getting are awesome. I > > appreciate your comments. > > > > > From: Charles Bandes <firstname.lastname@example.org> > > > Reply-To: email@example.com > > > Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 22:32:04 -0400 > > > To: firstname.lastname@example.org > > > Subject: Re: PhotoRetouch Pro Software > > > > > > One thing that _is_ attractive about PRP which I forgot to mention is > > > that it has pretty advanced color management/profiling software built > > > in, much much more sophisticated than things like Profiler Plus - > > > > > Is CDC4x as good as Genuine Fractals? (I think it might be) > > > Is JPEG removal something you would pay for in a plugin? (I might) > > > Is profiling software something you were planning on buying? > > > > > > If those three answers are "yes" then the package is well worth > > > > > >> Photoshop is the industry standard. Hard to believe another program > > >> would have all of or most of photoshops features. And photoshop is less > > >> money. > > > > - > > Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate > > subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions. > - > Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate > subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions. ===== Visit my digital photography web site along with a lot of other interesting stuff at http://www.mikegreer.com. Also, Greer and Associates (http://www.greeraa.com) offers studio photography, digital imaging services, web site design/construction, and training. Mike Greer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com - Turn off HTML mail features. Keep quoted material short. Use accurate subject lines. http://www.leben.com/lists for list instructions.